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How much do we know about the sun's heating patterns?

We can be certain that the radiation that comes from the sun is not constant. Does this play a role on our weather?

I read a summary of a peer reviewed article that suggests that the sun does play a major role in the changing patters with Earth's climate. The study found a correlation between the temperature patterns between Mars and Earth.

Terry

[quote=Dr. Eric]

So, yes things are warmer. The real question is why. Is the sun hotter? Are we polluting the atmosphere? Are there normal variations like the ice ages? quote]

I was in a restaurant the other evening and initially there were just a handful of patrons. The air temperature was cool. As time went on the room began to fill up with customers and by God it was hot in there! It is our fault, people. Billions of humans on the planet simply produce too much body heat! LOL
On the upside, hopefully our heating bills will be reduced!

Sam

It can be easy to underestimate the scale of our atmosphere. The cosmic energy absorbed by the atmosphere from outer space dwarfs the BTU all people generate from their bodies.

sunspots. sunspots. sunspots.

Who or what is causing the *global warming* on Mars? Their ice caps are melting too. Maybe they have old flying saucers that are just as bad as our evil SUVs?

Actually, the ice on earth is sublimating, not melting.

What do we make of those tree stumps and remains of farms in Greenland?

The Czech people fully reject all the global warming hoax. They know who is behind it - former Communists looking for another avenue of power and control. Can you spell U.N.?

So many real scientists have signed a petition against the hoax. See this website---

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p37.htm

Ed

Subdue it, not destroy it.
Ed

Sam, I was watching a documentary on large building projects in the U.S. and one of them was the Mall of America in St. Paul/Minneapolis, MN. I've been ther once. I didn't know that they don't even heat that huge three level mall during the cold Minnesota winters. The body heat from the many people who visit it every day heats the building! Of course, they do have to have air conditioning during the hot summer months.

Ed

Regardless of what one perceives to be the cause of the weather "changes", as Christians I believe we are called to honor God by taking care of the environment. I think the reason that the global warning offends many people is because of who is calling this to our attention. I am not Leonardo DiCaprio or Al Gore fans myself nor did I vote for Gore, but that does not mean that he did not raise some issues that we should be concerned about.

In His Service,

Walter

What can we do to be good stewards?

First is to Know, Love, and Serve God. (Remember page 9 from the old Gray St. Joseph Catechism book?)

Second is to Love our Neighbors as ourselves.

We'll start there for now.

Think twice about how we dispose of trash, or junk? Be mindful that even if we do not own a certain property, that we must respect it as if it were our own if we are to be good stewards.

Ryan raised the same point that Walter raises here. Interesting.

I think that environmentalists (at least, here in the U.S.) have been their own worst enemies when it comes to publicizing environmental issues. In the past, they tended to decry environmental problems and to blame the humans (except, of course, themselves) -- but they failed to put people first. They failed to explain environmental problems in terms of human life and human resources and human benefit. As a result, they failed to cultivate human motivation: which is rather stupid, seeing that only humans can voluntarily change their (our) behavior.

And, frankly, that is because a lot of environmentalists (based upon what they said and what they wrote) are misanthropes. They don't like humanity. Or, to be more specific, they like themselves and their buddies and the people they approve of (especially hunters and gatherers), but they don�t like modern Western civilization and Christianity with its idea of "go forth and subdue the earth." Instead, they would prefer if humanity were all hunters and gatherers and Starbucks.

And so, with the righteousness of the fanatic, they condemned environmental degradation while insulting the very people who can do something about it: modern Western civilization.

Does anyone remember the spotted owl debate in the early 1990s? This was a perfect example. In fact, it might have been the defining moment in modern American environmentalism.

To review: The environmentalists cared that a bird -- the spotted owl-- was in danger of going extinct. So, they petitioned the U.S. government to protect it. However, that would mean shutting down the forests of the northwestern United States to logging. And that would mean shutting down the livelihoods of many, many people. Those people, naturally, protested vehemently. So too did the logging companies. People wanted to keep making a living, yes even a profit, and to support their families and communities. The environmentalists didn't care; and they wouldn't compromise; and they won.

The result? The spotted owl is still alive, fluttering amidst the trees. But many people lost their jobs and their livelihoods, and an entire American industry took a major hit. And the message came through loud and clear to many Americans: the environmentalists cared more for an owl than for you. And as a result, the environment became an issue of radical extremists (or suburbanites watching nature shows on the TV) instead of how to manage our resources and living space for ourselves and future generations.

Unfortunately, that severe loss of political capital to the environmental movement means that a lot of Americans were (and are) reluctant to consider environmental issues.

And that brings me back to global warming (or climate change, or whatever term you wish to use). It's getting hotter in some places, and rainfall patterns are changing, and that is already becoming a serious problem in some areas, it just might become even more of a serious problem in the future. Now: I would be willing to skip the debate over its origins if we as a society would at least be willing to debate how to deal with it. But a lot of people are reluctant to even consider that.

Etc.

Once an owl trumped people and their jobs and their families, the message was clear. A lot of Americans now think that environmentalism = wackjob liberals, who don't give a d@#n about me or my family. It polarized the debate into left versus right, liberals versus conservatives, us against them -- and no one listening much to the other side or (dare I say it) even to the issues themselves. Instead, as with so many issues in the last 20 years in the United States, the real debate underneath it all hasn't been over the issues themselves; it has been about how the liberals and the conservatives hate each other.

And so, the very real environmental threats to human beings are not getting the attention they deserve . . . because of how the environmentalists botched the job in framing the debate 20 years ago . . . and because of how their opponents and their vested interests have capitali$ed on that ever after.

But, a new generation has grown up; and they have an open mind on the subject. And, hopefully, some of the environmentalists have become better marketers. And the situation overall has changed enough --it really is getting warmer in some places and the climate really is changing there-- that people are willing to take another look at the environmental issue. Hopefully, everyone (left as well as right) will take a more balanced approach this time.

Just my two cents. Back to my coffee.

-- John

The banning of DDT without serious research was an even greater defining moment. Now Malaria and other mosquito born infestations are creating great havoc in various places of the world.

CDL

Good points, good post!

Alice

Take care of your body. Eat moderately, exercise, drink water, eat as cleanly as possible. Synthetic stuff doesn't rot like real food.

Take and use only that which you need to survive, do not covet.

Your first sentance misses the mark. It is not about our perception, but the falsehoods that are promoted in place of science. But you choose to ignore even our subjective perceptions beginning with "regardless". So, ignore good science and ignore what we make of it. Weather changes all the time. There is temperature changes (daily, monthly and yearly averages), weather patterns, flukes of nature, years of drought and years of rain, seasonal changes, ice ages and hot years, ice melting and ice growing, etc. Ice melts (or sublimates) on Mars too. What should we do about this? No polar bears on Mars to save. What do you think about the founder of the Weather Channel rejecting global warming? Is his comments simply to be written off as mere perception? Why should we buy into what the non-scientist Al Gore has to say (the guy who flies on his own jet?)


Are you saying Christians generally don't? What do you see in the dessert where the Israeli Jews live? Green. Jews and Christians grow things. Do you ever see a green Muslim neigbhorhood on TV in the Middle East? Christians belive in God, not Gaia. There is a difference.


There is an old saying about, "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." People get tired of being taken for a horde of common dupes. They begin to get agitated with scam artists and snake oil salesmen.


Raising issues is fine. Raising issues that concern us is also ok. But promoting junk science - nay, I wouldn't even call it science at all - is not. Read the link I provided above. Thousands of real scientists have signed a petition disclaiming the falsehoods of the global warming scam. If you want to learn the real motive behind the green movement, environmentalism, and global warming - follow the money. Carbon credits. The U.N. Shakedown of the U.S. and socialistic methods of redistribution of wealth.

Carbon is good.

Ed

Here's a good test.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/GlobWarmTest/start.html

CDL