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The shootings at NIU, like those at VTU, Columbine, Conyers etc are symptomatic of the moral cesspool that America has become. Demonic possession ? Sure I don't doubt that at all, but it's practically a voluntary possession. Our society has become so vehemently anti-Christian, that one almost expects these tragic incidents to occur. Picture the millions upon millions of people in America in their teens and twenties, who grew up with Daycare, hardly knowing either of their parents, went through a secular humanist socialist indoctrination camp i,e the public school system, that lasted 12 or more years. And then the first time they displayed the slightest behavioural problem, many were put permanently on mood altering drugs. A multitude of young people growing up with no moral absolutes, no belief in Heaven and definitely no belief in Hell. I'm 47 now and when I was a kid I did lot's of bad things some of which could have had tragic consequences, but like my peers I did know about parental authority, and what it meant when your father read you the Riot Act. It was a line you didn't dare cross for fear of physical punishment. Nowdays however it's the children who metaphorically speaking, know how to put the fear of God into their parents when they don't obey. Disobedient children used to get threatened with the belt, but now the world has been turned upside down and children threaten disobedient parents with a phone call to DCFS.

So to quickly summarise it all. Almost constant exposure to Ungodliness, mood altering medications with extremely dangerous side effects, no moral absolutes, parents who know almost nothing about their children etc = tragic consequences. The Zombies have been programed to destroy and destroy they will.

This subject hits really close to home for me because the shooter that took the lives of students at Northern Illinois University was enrolled in the University of Illinois in Champaign-Urbana, which is where I go.

I think it's a mix of medication and Satan. I think that kid definitely had a lot of suppressed evil somewhere and that was fueled by the fact that he stopped taking medication.

This may offend some people, and if it does I am sorry, but we don't know for sure what kind of medication he was taking, but it was probably some sort of anti-depressant or something for a psychological disorder. I think that people who are clinically depressed or have other mental issues for which they are taking medication need to be looked at more closely when they purchase firearms.

Or perhaps maybe there needs to be a limit on how many guns of a certain type an individual can buy.

Like I said, I think there must have been some evil force working here, at least in part, because he went back to NIU when he could have just come to U of I since he lived in town. I think something told him to go there. He could have just as easily walked onto my campus to our huge 750 person lecture hall and done the same thing but he didn't.

Just my thoughts.

Katie g

I think you have hit the nail on the head with your comments

Well said, Katie G.

-- John

A modest suggestion. In the spirit of the season, let's just pray for all involved in this tragedy.

This is kind of a confirmation of what Alice was speaking of...

Peter Rachowsky, 27, a former Elk Grove Village resident, described Kazmierczak as "pretty much my first and only friend" during junior high and their first two years of high school. But then, around their junior year, he said Kazmierczak began exploring satanism and white-power movements, leading Kazmierczak's parents to take him to specialists who put him on drugs that caused his weight to fluctuate greatly.

"He started to identify more with hatred-type stuff," Rachowsky recalled in an interview. "It seemed like the medicine made the whole situation worse."
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/798150,021708niu.article

Sometimes kids do explore, but it always leaves doors open, and it sounds like the door may have flown wide open for him.

There was probably pornography involved too in addition to the psychoactive medication he took. Let us pray that his current roommate is found to be safe.

Why are mentally ill people hired to serve as prison guards?
And why was he allowed to buy all those guns?

You would think that with a history of mental health problems, his administrative discharge from the army, and then his sudden unofficial departure from his job serving as a prison guard, that those would have been red flags.

The new media did not say what church he attended, only that he had a godfather. I wonder why his parents did not take him to see the pastor when his interest in Satanism first emerged?

Pani Rose, while I'm sure exploring satanism is never a good influence, it would appear that the shooter was suffering from serious mental illness.

I think Katie G. said it best, when she suggested that we (as a society) have to find a way to keep guns out of the hands of people who are so mentally ill that they could be a threat to themselves or others.

-- John

I knew it!!! There hasn't been one incident of this type that hasn't had this component..Does anybody remember Columbine?

This time we can argue about mental illness and medications. In other similar cases with the same background there were no mental illness or medication issues to cloud what the real problem is: demonism.

Son of Sam and other notorious killers were not on medications or considered mentally ill, but they did participate in worshipping Satan rituals.

By the grace of God, some kids who do come across stuff on the internet of this sort have Christian parents who are astute enough to pray for them, to talk to them, to have lots of time for them, and to realize that they are fighting with the realms of hell--and because of that, they are thus saved from the grips of the evil one whom who wants them after having entertained him on the internet or however else they have entertained him...

This stuff is REAL, people...if traditional Christians whose churches accept this and teach this, don't accept this as individuals, how can we expect society to get serious about these problems?

So what would we do about it?? Find a way to get the evil one OFF of the internet through satanic, occultic and pornographic sites. Let Christians make an outcry to Hollywood that they do not want movies with demonic overtones (which abound-- masked as 'horror' movies) and extreme violence.

Most importantly and more easily: Keep an eye on your kids and supplement however you have chosen to deal with their problems, whether psychiatrically and/or medically, with prayer, prayer, more prayer and lots of it! Consecrate them to Jesus's care, and HE will be victorious in the end...

The freedom of the internet and Hollywood are our biggest enemy. Get people back into church and teach them to take the spiritual warfare of heaven vs. hell, and demon possessions, SERIOUSLY.

Monks of the East and the Pope of Rome do....

Alice

For those who think that I am being silly, let's just say that if you haven't raised teenagers in this generation, in a secular community, (not home schooled, on a farm, etc.) you really can't know how true what I am speaking about is.

Dear Alice,

I agree with you.

My own son was exposed to satanism when he was 12. He was invited to a birthday party over at the neighbor's house on a Saturday morning. His neighbors were playing with a Ouija board and listening to satanic music. Even though the house was hot since it was 95 degrees outside and the home was not air-conditioned, my son felt a sudden blast of very cold air that apparently only he noticed. He came home to get a jacket and told me about the events that had happened. I suspected something demonic; however, I took his temperature to rule out a fever, but it was normal.

We immediately called our Orthodox Priest and he said that he would say special prayers just before Vespers that evening. When we met the priest, my husband told him about a strange cold air mass that was inhabiting our barn even on a hot day, so Father prayed the prayers of exorcism from the Book of Needs over all of us and we were greatly relieved, especially when that strange coldness vanished.

Yes, demonic powers are for real. Maybe we should start carrying Holy Water on a daily basis.

In Christ,
Elizabeth

There's a container of blessed salt in my book bag when I go to work every morning.

Exactly, demonic powers are real, but so is free will. With Christ on our side the devil is powerless. Aside from a persons backround or chemsitry some people simply dont want to be saved. As it says in the scriptures "ask and you shall receive," I think people fail to realize that that rule applies for good as well as evil.

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Sadly, in our public educational institutions here in the USA, teachers cannot preach against religions or beliefs that promote satanism and sinful lifestyles. Worse, there are courses offered in almost every community college and state college which discuss satanism and witchcraft.

Our youth are being exposed to satanism through music and through their peers and they are being corrupted. I have known some good students from God-fearing families who lapsed from the faith during their senior year in high school or when they entered college. Even monks can be tempted to fall through the allure of pride and the desire for recognition.

So, while we ourselves may be strong in the faith, our children and friends may suffer tremendously. Let us pray.

Lord have mercy on us and save us, for we perish.