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dochawk #300173 09/26/08 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Alice
Over the years I have sensed a pattern online which leads me to issue these warnings to all Catholics on the internet far and wide:

--BEWARE of Orthodox posters who have taken the name Photius!
--Enter in conversation at your own risk!!
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Alice

My mind is twisting and flopping . . by the originally expressed logic, such persons should be fine with Catholics dropping the honorific St. from their namesakes . . . but then, how many of them are aware of St. Photius' status with Rome at the end of hiss life.

And then it all twists back upon itself.

And they remain convinced that such juvenile disrespect is an effective rhetorical device?

I think they transcend concern for the effectiveness of their rhetoric. As Photius Jones* goes on to offer:
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Let me just say that I believe Rome to be an irreformable institution and a *spiritually* unrepentable institution doctrinally. In a lot of ways, it’s point-less to argue with committed hell or high water Roman Catholics. I point these things out to nourish our Orthodox faith so we can understand what it is that we are dealing with and to dialogue with others that are much more open minded like conservative protestants. There is no dialogue with Roman Catholics, only the smoke and mirrors of divide and conquer and bankrupt programs of “compatibility” that have tendentious intentions whether willful or engrained.


In the end, he has such a low opinion of Catholics that he is not all that worried about how he calls them, how he is perceived, or who he offends.

So it goes. Sadly, the Energetic Processions crowd is lauded as a voice of Orthodox scholarship... I am too dumb to weigh in and disagree with them (who am I to disagree with the great Photius Jones?) but in the end, folks who find the rhetoric above their paygrade can still see the style for what it is - pedantic rudeness.

- Simple

*Am I alone in thinking that his choice of name makes him to sound like a character straight out of a Blaxploitation movie like Foxy Brown or Cleopatra Jones?


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Maybe these guys didn't get enough hugs as children?

They don't even like other Orthodox. My EO friends were joking that the Orthodox are not Orthodox for that crowd.

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Originally Posted by Byzantine TX


I visited a church way back in 2000 that was almost identical to the one described in the Onion Dome September 2008 article. The parish [which shall go unnamed] is legitimate and is part of one of the major jurisdictions of SCOBA.

It appears that some bishops do allow protestants who convert en masse to adapt to Orthodox practices gradually starting with small icons and gradually getting larger ones, etc.

This parish was a member church of a major protestant denomination just one year before my visit. They all started taking chant classes together as part of their catechism instructions. The entire congregation was in the choir too, so many males were readers, subdeacons, and deacons. They had some marvelous voices -- that was a big plus.

When the people sat on the floor during the sermon, my dear sister-in-law looked puzzled until one man showed her where a few chairs were located (on the sides). However, she just about fainted when most of the laity made prostrations just before receiving Holy Communion -- something the usually monastics do, but not the laity. She showed me her cane (I knew she was carrying one) -- all yiayia do smile. And then she said, "Are all people expected to make prostrations including me?" I told her, "No, if all did, then they would have to pick me up from the ground too."

When you travel, do visit churches ... you may encounter a church like this as this is not the only parish who has converted from Protestantism. smile They really are zealous and bring a love of the Bible too.

Some of these parishioners take Russian, Arabic, and Greek Orthodox chrismation/baptism names, like Haralombos, Nina, Nikos, Xenia, and Seraphim. However, many priests are telling new converts that prelest is something they should avoid and so most are encouraged to adopt the saint name given to them by their parents or to choose normal sounding saints names like John, Joseph, Philip, etc.

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I always enjoy the Onion Dome - thanks!

But as to sitting on the floor - I will gladly testify that in the Old-Rite Church in Sydney I attend when I have the opportunity, I have never seen anyone sitting on the floor, despite the absence of pews (thank God!), but I have always seen the floor in an absolutely spotless condition. There is no reason for the church floor to be dirty.

The rest of the church is also spotless. Come to think of it, I once brought a friend with me and his first comment (after we had left) was that it was the cleanest Orthodox church he had ever seen in his life, as well as being the most beautiful Orthodox church he had ever seen in his life.

Fr. Serge

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