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Is it just me or does it seem that children of Jewish-Christian parentage more often choose Judaism over Christianity as their religion (though they seem rarely to be observant). It's a disturbing trend, if accurate.

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Originally Posted by Fr. Deacon Lance
U-C,

You thought wrong. How many times have we gone over this? There are actual Slovak and Hungarian Greek Catholics that are not Slovakized or Magyarized Rusyns. Slovak Lutherans and Hungarian Calvinists converted to the Greek Catholic Church in the 1800s. What is your reason for trying to deny this fact all the time?

Fr. Deacon Lance

Thank you!

Add to the mix the possibility that each successive generation takes - as often as not - a countryman of non-Rusyn heritage as a spouse but raises them Greek Catholic (a distinct possibility) after four generations of being a local and marrying the locals, it is completely possible for say a Hungarian Greek Catholic with a Hungarian name who speaks Hungarian to be no more than "6.25% Rusyn"... If even that much.

Why we have to go through this ALL the time, I just don't know.

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Originally Posted by Logos - Alexis
Is it just me or does it seem that children of Jewish-Christian parentage more often choose Judaism over Christianity as their religion (though they seem rarely to be observant). It's a disturbing trend, if accurate.

Alexis

That COULD be the case. Anecdotally, the kids I knew growing up who were from mixed marriages (Jewish/Catholic) seem to have all been baptized Catholic. Of course (again, anecdotally) none of the Jewish parties in those marriages - as far as I could ever tell - were observant to any degree...

Among some of the adults I know, the situation was reversed...

Perhaps it really comes down to "the observant party wins".

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Слава Ісусу Христу!

St Andrew the First-called evangelized along the Dnepro River in the 1st century. Scythian bishops are counted among the Ecumenical Councils of the 5th through 9th centuries. From Byzantium the migration of persecuted Orthodox fleeing the Iconoclasts came north throughout the 8th century amalgamating with the locals. Rooted Christianity in the Slavic basin between the Mediterranean Ocean and Black Sea was inevitable. Eastern Christianity was indigenously celebrated throughout present day Slovakia, Poland, Check lands, etcetera in an organic development.

Ss. Cyril and Mrthodius came to evangelize finding scripture and liturgy already in a vernacular used by bishops heading local Churches. When Rusyn Monarch St. Volodymyr sent missionaries through the various lands of Kyiv Rus' he would have send those communicating in their vernacular. Where were these preachers from?

Poland cleansed its pre-10th century indigenous Eastern Christian history solidified with the Akcija Wisla repatriazation. Or was that Communist Anti-Rusyn pro-Ukrainian pressure? A post-Vatican II Roman Catholicism was developed to fill the Central European void left by the Communist persecutions. The Greco Catholics today are struggling under interesting circumstances. Why should a Rusyn hypothesis emerging from Slavophil diaspora origins dismiss an indigenous Eastern Christian witness?

http://www.rusynacademy.sk/english/how_will.htm



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Originally Posted by Fr. Deacon Lance
U-C,

You thought wrong. How many times have we gone over this? There are actual Slovak and Hungarian Greek Catholics that are not Slovakized or Magyarized Rusyns. Slovak Lutherans and Hungarian Calvinists converted to the Greek Catholic Church in the 1800s. What is your reason for trying to deny this fact all the time?

Fr. Deacon Lance

Fr. Dn.,

Let's look at the situation today in Eastern Slovakia. How can we differentiate between the historical former "Protestant" Slovak Greek Catholic villages and the Greek Catholic villages of today that only claim a Slovak identity since c. 1930?

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Ung,

I don't know that you can since today people move around and inter-marry. What I do know is it is dishonest to pretend there are no ethnic Slovak Greek Catholics or that anyone claiming such is just a Rusyn who does know who they are.

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Well, then it is also dishonest for the current eparchial hierarchs in Slovakia to act as though every Greek Catholic in Slovakia is an ethnic Slovak.

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Ung,

I agree.

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Paul, rest in peace!

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Cool and Dashing, Paul Newman Was a New Kind of Jewish StarAppreciation.
By Misha Berson
Thu. Oct 02, 2008

While in high school in the early 1960s, my older brother bore a fleeting, flattering resemblance to Paul Newman.
Any movie buff could see it. Like Newman, he was fair-skinned, with curly light-brown hair and striking aqua-blue eyes. And like Newman, he was cool. Hipster cool. Shades-wearing cool.
But there was something else, something subliminal, in my own prepubescent idolatry of Newman (and, by extension, of my jazz sax-playing brother).
I grasp it only now, in the wake of Newman’s death September 26, at 83, from cancer. For me, the actor exuded a quintessentially modern, fully assimilated, American male Jewishness — a dashing, misfit bravado, quite unlike the Old World immigrant Yiddishkeit of my Russian and Polish elders, yet familial nonetheless.
Newman was one of the first modern Jewish superstars, just as he was one of the first actors to potently project a post-World War II anti-hero’s alienation and a shrugging existential heroism.
Of course, he was a gorgeous hunk whose screen-searing charisma attracted fans worldwide and stoked a 50-year acting career. from his lesser, early films (“Until They Sail”), to his defining, Oscar-nominated roles (“Hud,”
“The Hustler”), to his superbly crafted autumnal turns (“The Verdict” and “Nobody’s Fool”).
It is also true that Newman, unlike my brother and me (but like many of our peers), was technically half-Jewish. His father, a Cleveland storeowner, was a Jew; his mother, a Catholic. Yet, he always identified himself as a Jew because, he once declared wryly, “it’s more of a challenge.”
Indeed it was, in a 1950s and ’60s America still rife with “Gentlemen’s Agreement”-style antisemitism. And it was, as well, in a Hollywood Dream Factory run by studio moguls whose movies often stereotyped their Jewish brethren — or ignored their existence entirely.
Austrian-Jewish director Otto Preminger reportedly cast Newman as a Zionist rebel in “Exodus,” the epic 1960 film based on the popular Leon Uris novel, because he wanted a star of Jewish descent “who didn’t look Jewish.”
He got it wrong. To me, the guy starring as the brave sabra Ari Ben Canaan, who defies the British to smuggle 600 Holocaust survivors into Palestine, was undeniably a member of my tribe. After all, he looked like my brother.
I think Newman’s stint in “Exodus” also helped me (and other baby boomers) cope with the graphic awareness of Nazi butchery that our traumatized, well-meaning Jewish elders drummed into us to ensure that we’d never allow another Holocaust. What were the unintended side effects of those gruesome documentaries about the Nazi death camps I saw at a tender age, in Sunday school? Recurring nightmares of mounds of skeletal Jewish corpses. And my first acrid taste of survivor’s guilt.
No wonder seeing Newman play Ari in “Exodus” felt liberating. Here was a strong, dashing Jewish hero, a modern Technicolor Moses, defying authority with cool aplomb to save his people.
Certainly the film oversimplified historical complexities. But to an impressionable little girl inundated with images of Jewish victimization, Newman’s performance was a blast of righteous vigor and a great rallying cry for the support of Israel.
The actor’s on-screen sex appeal was also oddly reassuring. Before Hollywood discovered ethnic chic in the 1970s, the Jewish film and TV characters of my youth were mostly musty stereotypes: kvetching Yiddishe mamas, oracular grandpas, etc.
Newman was none of those. He walked like he owned the earth. He oozed raffish charm. And even if most of the defiant misfits, rebels and outsiders he tended to play were not specifically Jewish, they resonated with my own sense of otherness and estrangement growing up in a Midwestern hotbed of evangelical Christians.
I was also drawn to, and inspired by, Newman’s genuine off-screen commitment to social justice, his own brand of tikkun olam — even if he never called it that.
The 1930s idealism of such earlier Jewish film celebrities as John Garfield was cast under a toxic cloud by the McCarthy era of Hollywood blacklisting. But Newman, with Marlon Brando and other postwar stars, helped shake up American culture in the 1960s by using his fame to promote causes I was passionate about, such as civil rights (Newman marched with Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. in Alabama) and the movement against the Vietnam War (he was a delegate for anti-war candidate Eugene McCarthy at the 1968 Chicago Democratic National Convention).
Surely there was also a large dollop of plain old celebrity idolatry in my attraction to Newman. But as his heartthrob status faded, I continued to admire his ongoing devotion to humanitarian causes. His artistry as an actor, and also as a director (of such films as “Rachel, Rachel”), seemed to be enriched by his mitzvahs, including his stewardship of Newman’s Own, a food empire he founded that has donated $250 million in profits to charity.
With his death, my generation of Jews has lost more than a movie star. I know that I lost a distant member of my extended Jewish family — someone who, in ways he could never have imagined, helped me affirm who I am.
Misha Berson is a theater and arts critic for The Seattle Times and is the author of several books about theater.

http://www.forward.com/articles/14315/

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Dear Miller,

Nice article. I like to read the Jewish point of view in things.

Paul Newman was a long time resident of Westport Ct., and he just didn't live there like celebrities sometimes do in towns, but he was quite involved in the community there...Westport is a charming and upscale Connecticut town which is very Jewish...so it is apparent that, as the article states, he identified greatly with his Jewish side.

Alice

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