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Clearly, although I can type in Cyrillic, for some reason on this message board it doesn't "take." Anybody know why not? I don't have problems posting using Cyrillic on other Windows-based message boards.

I wrote in Word then copied and pasted into this forum window.

Alex,

Dude, chill out! I am merely trying to follow your posts. You clearly were imprecise or changed your tune without making it clear. Can't anyone disagree with you without you calling it 'judging' and getting all dramatic about it?

Bob

[ 07-25-2002: Message edited by: Bob King ]

Dear Bob,

Sorry if I appeared "unchilled"

That's a quip I say often . . .

I was just calling attention to your very precise exactitude and you are right.

I am in seventh heaven right now during these WYD.

Some young pilgrims are looking over my shoulder as I write this and are shaking their heads at your dismay with me .

How about we both chill out and pray for the success of World Youth Day? And that I don't swoon at the idea of having so many Cardinals and you know who all to myself tomorrow morning?

And how come you know so much about Slavonic languages and have such a non-ethnic screen name?

Is that a cover up?

O.K. you guys, move away from the computer and stop laughing . . .

God bless, Bob, and forgive me!

Alex

Of course it is!

Dear Bob,

At least four of these World Yoots here (I think they are much too young for their parents to allow them to travel so far from home - and now they are shoving me around the little . . . can you imagine? ) want to know why the Ruthenian Church wanted to de-ethnicize itself.

I guess it's a valid question, coming from "Yoots" who "no speaka da (English) language."

Sorry that I have to cut this post short. I'm under attack!

Alex

Dear UC:

Wow, I am fascinated by this.

I had no idea that there was a Deanery choir exclusive of the choir in Johnstown, out of which it emanated. In J-town, through the seventies, we never used any RC setting of liturgical pieces, and had our own arrangements for a lot of Prostopinije pieces. I wonder to what extent the Deanery choir still uses some of this. The last time I heard the J-towners sing, it was pretty much the same as repetoire that we had when I left in the early eighties, including well-known Russian settings of Our Father; Holy, Holy, Holy; Jedin Svjat; and the Gospel Alleluia.

I am shocked to hear the extent to which RC settings are employed. But I am not surprised, under the circumstances.

First, in trying to find people to carry on this work - with talent, time, knowledge, and willingness to do it all for free, we often find no one. And thus we are happy to have someone who may be lacking in one or another category. And if the the work becomes too demanding - do this, not this - and if people are hyper-critical ... then we again have no one. (I believe the end of the line for a certain director in a certain parish came when, given instructions, on short notice, for Good Friday vespers, responded to the priest: I'm a musician, not a magician).

Second, a major problem of the not-too-distant past, was the availability of music, and the access to knowledge of the repetoire. The internet has made this so much easier, now. But our Ruthenian church still has next to nothing on-line. (I have asked about this several times on this forum, but have not gotten a nibble. Is it band-width, copyright, money, territory?) As a result, it seems to me, a well-meaning volunteer can even today run into trouble finding the most suitable music. It seems to me latter problem could be so easily fixed (trivial to make pdf's out of existing sheet music), and, in turn, help to solve the former.

djs

I am no one to ask this question to. Although I posit that the Ruthenians never had a concrete ethnicity. It was somewhat fluid, hone in on
'somewhat fluid' before you foam at the mouth at me folks. Magocsi talked about this in '96 in Uzhgorod if I am not mistaken. The text was reprinted in the BCW, I was not there for that event.

I mean what flag was going to be hung in the BC churches? Also, it must be recalled that the Brothers did not force their own ethnicity (which is, IMHO, merely a vehicle of the Gospel) on the Slavs. Yeah sure there was some borrowing but it apprears there was more adaptation (like in music).

Unfortunately many would not have that same thing happen today. They want a Ruthenian church (read parish).

Ask someone else why the Ruthenian church in the USA wanted to shed its ethnicity. Also do you mean just the Catholics or the Orthodox as well? Oftentimes the 'Johsnstown' diocese is called too "Greek." I have no opinion about the latter, just throwing it in the mix.

Bob

[ 07-25-2002: Message edited by: Bob King ]

Dear Bob,

You are very erudite!

Our Bishops could use you in their public relations and communications offices, to be sure!

And theological advice and guidance to them would also be appreciated!

Have a great weekend. I'm off with these "Yoots" who will not give me a moment's peace!

Alex

You gonna write back? BTW, I thought twice about my spelling of ґде instead of где; it seems no matter how we spell it we say ґде, right?

Umm, no, "hde" is either a Russianism or Church Slavonicism. Rusyn dialects only show "de".

Trying again with Cyrillic:
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Well, I give up. I did what you said, Bob, and got the same result. It looked fine on my screen, but after I submitted it, it poofed into ??s.

Unable to resist another bad joke, I have to say that attempting to use Slavonic in an English-speaking nation is "questionable"??

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Not attempted Slavonic, just question marks.


Have a Blessed Day !!!

John
Pilgrim and Odd Duck

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It's bad enough that the discussion has actually stayed on topic so long that with those of us whose computers insist on rendereing cyrillic characters as question marks makes the discussion truly impossible to follow!

Steve

[ 07-27-2002: Message edited by: Steve Petach ]