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Originally Posted by carson daniel lauffer
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The only thing I would change about the above is that it is the Roman Catholic teaching.

The Catholic Church is a communion of churches, and not all of them are this dogmatic in their approach to contraception. We do them, as well as the fullness of the Catholic Church, a disservice when we interchange Roman Catholic teaching with that of the entire Church so casually. Whether or not these churches should similarly define contraceprion as such might be fodder for a different thread, I realize that by bringing this up I risk derailing this thread about the article, although they are related somewhat.

I also recognize that the Roman Catholic Church may not realize that its teachings are not normative across the entire Church.

I don't think I've ever heard this argument made as it applies to this question. Still you may have a point. Could you share some Eastern Catholic teaching on this matter? In the interim I will put this question to my priest. I'm convinced to this point that there is a direct line from artificial birth control to the wide acceptance of abortion. But I'm open to discuss it.

This is an example of Eastern Catholic teaching that resonates with me, an excerpt from Archbishop Raya's book "Crowning: The Christian Marriage":

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In his praiseworthy attempt to counteract a sexual morality falsified by a secularized society and atheistic propaganda, Pope Paul VI, who at the time of the Second Vatican Council had reserved to himself the final decision on birth control, called upon a papal commission to advise him before publishing the official Church doctrine.

Over three quarters of the members, chosen by the Pope for their wisdom and reliability, offered the majority opinion endorsing a carefully qualified use of birth control, and proposed a revision of the current unqualified condemnation.

Pope Paul VI, however, disregarded their advice and published the Encyclical Humanae Vitae, maintaining the negative position. There is a present a painful tension between the supporters of rigidity in this matter, and those who believe it is unjustified.

The Byzantine ceremony of Crowning glorifies Christian chastity. Chastity means integrity of the human relation, integration of the forces of life into the personalistic aspects of nuptial love, which leads the couple into the Kingdom, into the peace and harmony of life. Both fertile and childless couples go beyond the mere functional: the combine the instinctive and passionate movements of their love, integrating them into a single act of ascent of pure goodness. It is not in spite of marriage, but in its fulfillment in peace, harmony and supreme joy that couples live the supernatural and holy reality of their union, chastity.

In the embrace of love, Christian couples are chaste. They are perfectly and entirely for each other. "I am my Beloved’s and my Beloved is mine" (Canticle of Canticles). In genuine faith, they assume their human and spiritual responsibilities, and choose the best ways, pleasing to God, to achieve what they have set out to do. Birth control is in some way their responsibility. Vatican Council II has clearly established that conscience is the most sacred core and sanctuary of a man. There he is alone with God, whose voice echoes in his depths.

The theologian Paul Evdokimos, in his study on the "Sacrament of Love", summarizes the attitude of Eastern theology on birth control: The Church "addresses herself to evangelical metanoia, and hopes to change man and woman into a new creation, to render them charismatic; She exorcises demonic powers and protects the Gate of Life; She discerns among the spirits, and shows the pathways to ultimate liberation; She does not define the rules of social life, and does not prescribe panacaeas. . . " (p.175). The Church should never refuse to advise when advice is sought, but should not try to manipulate the intimacy of husband and wife. Patriarch Maximos IV of Antioch, Alexandria and Jerusalem proclaimed at the Council of Vatican II, "The Church does not penetrate into the nuptial chamber. She stands at the door."

The Byzantine Church does indeed believe that the Sacrament of Crowning establishes the man and woman as prophets, king and queen of supernatural worth, and robes them with the Royal Priesthood of Christ. Their dignity is real. Consequently, their vocation will be to form personal decisions, and to judge situations, in order to find solutions to the individual circumstances of their lives."

You will not find dogmatic teaching on this point, or if you do it will contradict other things that you read, because there is no "official position" on the matter.

I would argue that if there is a direct line from artificial birth control to the acceptance of abortion, then the fault lies not in artificial birth control, but in the people who make that distorted connection in their morality.

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Originally Posted by carson daniel lauffer
How do you receive "Humanae Vita" and the teachings of the Theology of the Body if one does not accept the teachings of the Catholic faith on birth control?

In the same way that I receive the teachings of the Immaculate Conception. They are a product of Roman mindsets. I don't consider them heretical by any means and respect anybody who believes them as written, and while I do not believe that they explain matters in a way that represents the theology or philosophy of my own patrimony, I would not attempt to force others to change their understanding to match mine, and expect the same in return.

Not all Roman Catholics, however, are lockstep in this teaching of the church, despite how some may frame it. I believe that this article by Scott Steinkerchner, O.P., for example, has some interesting insights: (I only quote the end but recommend the whole article)

http://www.op.org/steinkerchner/hv.html

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In the end, I think the determinative theological question in Humanae Vitae was not the nature of human sexuality. It was about whether or not the pope was willing or able to change this long-standing teaching. As Robert Hoyt noted shortly after the document's release: "In the wake of the encyclical, then, the central argument is no longer about birth control or sex or 'nature,' but over the authority of the church and its role in instructing men's consciences" (13). The Minority Report of the commission agrees with this framing of the issue. When the report asks the crucial question as to why the church cannot change this teaching it replies, "because the Catholic church, instituted by Christ to show men a secure way to eternal life, could not have so wrongly erred during all those centuries of history" (Hoyt 37). I find this statement and its mind set absurd. It was directly refuted in the Majority Report (67). Should we have used the same reasoning to keep our teaching about slavery from changing? Certainly that issue caused more suffering in the world than contraception ever did. We may be THE CHURCH INSTITUTED BY GOD FOR ALL TIMES FOR THE SALVATION OF THE WORLD, but I think as an institution we still take ourselves too seriously. This is epitomized for me by a small exchange from the last session of the Birth Control Commission conveyed by McClory on page one. Marcelino Zalba S.J. asked, "What then with the millions we have sent to hell, if these norms were not valid?" Patty Crowley replied, "Father Zalba, do you really believe that God has carried out all your orders?"

In all of the debates which have followed the publication of Humanae Vitae, each party seems to have approached its analysis with a preset opinion, interpreting the data to fit a conclusion already decided. This is apologetics at its worst. An honest, open discussion of God's role in procreation has the real possibility of opening up the mystery of God's intimate creative presence in all of creation. It could reveal much not only about sexual ethics but about sacramental theology as well. But I am not convinced that anyone is really interested in the discussion. All sides are stuck in cacophonous monologues. To be in discussion, one has to be willing to change one's mind. In this debate this was well stated by one person involved: "The debates convinced me more of the intrinsic danger in irreformable statements than of the intrinsic evil in contraception" (Hoyt 19).

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Originally Posted by carson daniel lauffer
I'm convinced to this point that there is a direct line from artificial birth control to the wide acceptance of abortion.

I don't know. I'm inclined not to agree with this, but it might actually be the case, at least among those who use artificial contraception outside of the context of marriage and have no sense whatsoever of the natural link between sex and procreation. What I do agree with is that the widespread use of artificial contraception has the effect of increasing the extent to which women are sexually objectified. I also think it contributes to a mentality that trivializes sex (think of the hook-up culture, in which it seems that men and women sexually objective each other).

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If (like everyone else in the West still young enough to procreate) you've grown up in a culture where the natural link between sex and procreation has been severed by contraception, and replaced with a situation where instead procreation is linked to failed contraception, or the purposeful lack of contraception, where does that put you (on that contraception to abortion continuum) in your estimation, Athanasius?

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Originally Posted by JDC
If (like everyone else in the West still young enough to procreate) you've grown up in a culture where the natural link between sex and procreation has been severed by contraception, and replaced with a situation where instead procreation is linked to failed contraception, or the purposeful lack of contraception, where does that put you (on that contraception to abortion continuum) in your estimation, Athanasius?

I like your question. BTW I became a Catholic so I could have my conscience fully formed by the Church not so I could set my own opinion above the Church. If all I wished to do was follow my own conscience I would have remained a Protestant.

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The Church can't do all of your thinking for you. Sometimes, it will need you to help form the Conscience of the Church - which is much bigger than any one Papal encyclical.

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Originally Posted by jjp
The Church can't do all of your thinking for you. Sometimes, it will need you to help form the Conscience of the Church - which is much bigger than any one Papal encyclical.
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One encyclical? Is that what we're pretending the teaching on birth control spans? As for "the Conscience of the Church"... Is that a real thing? Maybe it is. With those capital letters it almost looks like An Official Thing And Not Only Made Up For The Occasion.

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The Church can't do all of your thinking for you. Sometimes, it will need you to help form the conscience of the church - which is much bigger than any one dogma.

Thanks, you're right, that does sound better.

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From Archbishop Joseph Raya's Crowning: The Christian Marriage. Discuss.



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Birth Control

In a world where eroticism dominates the hearts and minds of men and women, it is almost impossible to honor the Christian vision of a sexuality more precious than pleasure and more honorable than social necessity. In our days, the problems of birth control are heart rending.

In his praiseworthy attempt to counteract a sexual morality falsified by a secularized society and atheistic propaganda, Pope Paul VI, who at the time of the Second Vatican Council had reserved to himself the final decision on birth control, called upon a papal commission to advise him before publishing the official Church doctrine.

Over three quarters of the members, chosen by the Pope for their wisdom and reliability, offered the majority opinion endorsing a carefully qualified use of birth control, and proposed a revision of the current unqualified condemnation.

Pope Paul VI, however, disregarded their advice and published the Encyclical Humanae vitae, maintaining the negative position. There is a present a painful tension between the supporters of rigidity in this matter, and those who believe it is unjustified.

The Byzantine ceremony of Crowning glorifies Christian chastity. Chastity means integrity of the human relation, integration of the forces of life into the personalistic aspects of nuptial love, which leads the couple into the Kingdom, into the peace and harmony of life. Both fertile and childless couples go beyond the mere functional: the combine the instinctive and passionate movements of their love, integrating them into a single act of ascent of pure goodness. It is not in spite of marriage, but in its fulfillment in peace, harmony and supreme joy that couples live the supernatural and holy reality of their union, chastity.

In the embrace of love, Christian couples are chaste. They are perfectly and entirely for each other. “I am my Beloved’s and my Beloved is mine” (Canticle of Canticles). In genuine faith, they assume their human and spiritual responsibilities, and choose the best ways, pleasing to God, to achieve what they have set out to do. Birth control is in some way their responsibility. Vatican Council II has clearly established that conscience is the most sacred core and sanctuary of a man. There he is alone with God, whose voice echoes in his depths.

The theologian Paul Evdokimos, in his study on the Sacrament of Love, summarizes the attitude of Eastern theology on birth control: The Church “addresses herself to evangelical metanoia, and hopes to change man and woman into a new creation, to render them charismatic; She exorcises demonic powers and protects the Gate of Life; She discerns among the spirits, and shows the pathways to ultimate liberation; She does not define the rules of social life, and does not prescribe panacaeas. . . “ (p.175). The Church should never refuse to advise when advice is sought, but should not try to manipulate the intimacy of husband and wife. Patriarch Maximos IV of Antioch, Alexandria and Jerusalem proclaimed at the Council of Vatican II, “The Church does not penetrate into the nuptial chamber. She stands at the door.”

The Byzantine Church does indeed believe that the Sacrament of Crowning establishes the man and woman as prophets, king and queen of supernatural worth, and robes them with the Royal Priesthood of Christ. Their dignity is real. Consequently, their vocation will be to form personal decisions, and to judge situations, in order to find solutions to the individual circumstances of their lives.

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Archbishop Raya seems to be recognizing the true worth of Marriage, but leaving open the decision to the Holy Father without attempting to persuade him either way on this particular concern, instead focusing on the broader picture.

From my understanding, the mindset of using artificial contraception (or even "natural methods" outside of the mind of the Church, i.e. to prevent pregnancy indefinitely) and all her children do the opposite of what Archbishop Raya teaches, namely: propheting, kingship and queenship, and robing the spouses with the Royal Priesthood of Christ.

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Sayedna Joseph's book was not addressed to the Holy See, but was intended (and used as) a marriage preparation manual for the Melkite Greek Catholic Church.

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How would you interpret his teachings about artificial contraceptive use within marriage? Is he stating that crowning makes a couple capable of acting like Christ and being open to having children or is he saying that crowning gives the couple license to use Artificial contraceptives whenever they choose?

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The fullness of the faith would require one make no interventions, natural or unnatural, to prevent or even reduce the likelihood of conceiving children. That is the faith of the Fathers--the means matter not, any intent to control the begetting of children is sinful.

The Church, in this as in all things, does precisely what Sayedna wrote:

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The Church “addresses herself to evangelical metanoia, and hopes to change man and woman into a new creation, to render them charismatic; She exorcises demonic powers and protects the Gate of Life; She discerns among the spirits, and shows the pathways to ultimate liberation; She does not define the rules of social life, and does not prescribe panacaeas. . . “

So, the Church should constantly uphold this ideal, just as it upholds all the ideals in matters of asceticism (e.g., fasting), without being legally prescriptive. It's mission is to encourage people along the path of holiness, while constantly condescending to human weakness.

The Church teaches that marriage is an eternal sacrament, and allows just one sacramental marriage per lifetime. But the Church also recognizes that celibacy is an heroic vocation not given to everybody, and so it allows non-sacramental remarriages under oikonomia for those who are widowed and for the innocent party in a divorce (I recognize the Latin theology of marriage is different, but we are Eastern Christians, thank you).

Just as a spiritual father might counsel someone not to attempt the full rigor of the Lenten fast, so a spiritual father, taking into consideration the spiritual state of a married couple, might after prayerful discernment with them recommend that they find some method of regulating the number and spacing of their children. This in itself is a condescension to human weakness.

Stepping back from the ideal, the second best step would be some form of natural family planning, but the Church should recognize that may not be possible for all couples, either, and in such cases, non-abortifactant methods of contraception might be used. The objective, of course, is to grow in holiness, so that over time, these condescensions to human weakness might not be necessary. That is the entire purpose of oikonomia. Lacking the concept, the Latin Church has a difficult time grappling with the concept. That is why there is so much emphasis over means and not intention (with all the consequent tying of one's self into theological-philosophical knots). Is a couple that uses natural family planning with the intention of avoiding all pregnancies in order to enjoy an unfettered and materially abundant life better or worse than one that uses condoms in order to space out or limit the number of children they actually do have? You don't hear that discussed very much, because almost the total focus is on the evils of latex.

At the same time, the Western Church holds to a legal understanding of sin as a violation of some divine law or precept, which exacts a penalty. The Eastern Churches, on the other hand, view sin as falling short (hamartia) of perfection. And, insofar as all human beings fall short of perfection, all of us sin. Sin is an illness that affects us all, and the purpose of the Church is not that of moral policeman but of spiritual physician, whose job is to heal us.

The language you use, Carson, including words such as license, indicates you have some difficulty with this conception (no pun intended. Well, OK, yes, I did so intend. Sue me). The fact is, John Chrysostom and the other Eastern Fathers do indeed see marriage as the formation of a domestic church, which endows husband and wife with all of the rights and responsibilities of priesthood within their little jurisdiction. And it is up to them, in the end, to make informed moral choices based on their unique situation.

The fault of Humanae vitae was two-fold: first, it did not make the sanctity of sex within marriage, and the necessity of expressing sexual love only within marriage the centerpiece of its message; second, in regard to contraception, it placed too much emphasis on means and not on intentions. And, of course, like almost all magisterial documents emanating from the Vatican, it simply takes for granted the Latin Church's understanding of the "purposes" of marriage for granted. That the Eastern Churches might not see marriage as having any earthly purpose at all, but as being nothing more nor less than a sacramental typos of Christ's relationship to the Church, apparently never entered its mind.

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Well said, Stuart.

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Stuart,

I see no problem with your interpretation. I may have used a misleading term here and there. It's just that some posters seem quite willing to simply ignore our Patriarch entirely which seems odd since we are Catholic.

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