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But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 1 Corinthians 1:27
Irregardless of the scientific accuracy or perceived lack thereof, Can not He who caused the sun to stop for Joshua, order the heavens to comply? Thanks, good deacon, but no thanks. You can quote all the perceived wisdom of man, I choose to remain faithful to that which hath been handed down to me. I put more faith in the typica and the Church Fathers, than in the foolishness of science.
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My breathing is quite steady. If the Catholic Church wants a united Easter no one is stopping it from adopting Orthodox Easter. Debates about the calendar can always continue, but those debates will not bring about a united Easter any time soon. I believe all Christians, not just Catholics, should want a united celebration of Pascha. I also believe that the prescription of Nicaea can and should be followed -- it is a well-informed and meaningful directive, in science and theology one could not produce a better one. And since we have the ability to implement those directives we should do so; and that today, to be faithful to the directives of Nicaea, in deed and fact, we must use the Gregorian calendar/paschalion or the method outlined at Aleppo or equivalent, and not use the Julian calendar/paschalion because it is now a hinderance and a disservice to what Nicaea wanted to achieve. I am sure that the Orthodox would be overjoyed if Catholics began celebrating Easter with them, but arguments about the calendar are not going to accomplish anything any time soon. That said, if we Catholics want a unified Easter celebration it is pretty clear that we have the freedom to adopt the Orthodox practice. Discussions about the calendar can continue even after the Orthodox date for celebrating Easter is adopted by Catholics. 
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I do not think that St Paul had the calendar in mind when he wrote those words; to use them to justify intransigence borders on arrogance. I think the humbler thing to do is to accept the calendar that is in use today throughout the world just as the Father of Nicaea used the calendar in use in their world to calculate the day of Pascha. By the way, the foolishness of science fashioned the modern means by which you are communicating.
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The Orthodox Churches are free to do what they want on this issue, and so far they (i.e., the majority of them) have chosen to maintain their present practice. Clearly, the Catholic Churches are also free to do what we want on this topic, and if we are serious about a unified date for Easter I say that we should adopt the Orthodox practice. In that way the Christian world would have a unified celebration of Easter immediately, which I think would be a wonderful thing.
Finally, as far as the issue of the calendar is concerned, discussions about that could continue in the coming years and perhaps a mutually agreeable decision among the various Chruches would result at some point in the future.
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I do not think that St Paul had the calendar in mind when he wrote those words; to use them to justify intransigence borders on arrogance. I think the humbler thing to do is to accept the calendar that is in use today throughout the world just as the Father of Nicaea used the calendar in use in their world to calculate the day of Pascha. By the way, the foolishness of science fashioned the modern means by which you are communicating. You speak to me of intransigence and arrogance and that in humility I should accept YOUR calendar because Rome wants a common Easter date? Just who the h#$% is the arrogant one here?
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The Julian Calendar stands. You are more than welcome to join us in truth. As Apotheoun has stated quite nicely, our episcopacy has spoken and we remain committed to our Tradition. This is not worth arguing over. If Rome wants a common date, it is up to her to change.
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I do not think that St Paul had the calendar in mind when he wrote those words; to use them to justify intransigence borders on arrogance. I think the humbler thing to do is to accept the calendar that is in use today throughout the world just as the Father of Nicaea used the calendar in use in their world to calculate the day of Pascha. By the way, the foolishness of science fashioned the modern means by which you are communicating. I think that Slavipodvizhnik is the most arrogant of several posters here. Rome has not asked the East to accept an evil, devil-created Roman Catholic Calendar. It has asked the East to consider the possibility of doing exactly what the Church Fathers did at Nicea I. They saw a need for a single date for the celebration of the Resurrection. And they came up with a formula based upon the best scientific calendar of the day (which was the Julian Calendar). There is no evidence that they were declaring the calendar of Julius Caesar to be dogmatic. I'll give myself the last word on this topic. Let's take a break from the Calendar Question. Only the Lord can lead.
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