The Byzantine Forum
Newest Members
Lothar, VolodymyrRebinczak, jsunseri, Andrew_the_Ascetic, Giovanni1
5,865 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
2 members (2 invisible), 77 guests, and 75 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Latest Photos
Holy Saturday from Kirkland Lake
Holy Saturday from Kirkland Lake
by Veronica.H, April 24
Byzantine Catholic Outreach of Iowa
Exterior of Holy Angels Byzantine Catholic Parish
Church of St Cyril of Turau & All Patron Saints of Belarus
Byzantine Nebraska
Byzantine Nebraska
by orthodoxsinner2, December 11
Forum Statistics
Forums26
Topics35,191
Posts415,121
Members5,865
Most Online3,380
Dec 29th, 2019
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,958
Moderator
Member
Offline
Moderator
Member
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,958
Actually in the Greek tradition, Presanctified is served on Wednesdays of Great Lent, and Salutations to the Theotokos on Fridays.

On the first four Fridays of Lent, according to the current Constantinopolitan prac�tice, we chant the Service of the Salutations to the Theotokos at Small Compline. In the evening, we read Small Compline through the Creed, and then chant the Canon of the Akathist in its entirety, in each ode doing six troparia, including the eirmos as indicated:



From: www.goarch.org [goarch.org]

Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 844
Member
OP Offline
Member
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 844
Ah, all right. I was going by the schedule that Holy Spirit Parish here in Parma was using for the Presanctified DLs. Although since the priest (Fr. James Batcha) runs two different parishes, that could be a bit of confusion in which Presanctified DL is held where, when. Let's hope he will clear things up about it come this Sunday's DL, and during the spaghetti luncheon afterwards.

Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 421
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 421
Tell me about Sat Vespers and Sunday Divine Liturgy

Sat Vespers is done in presanctified mode - DL Not - right?

Why is the Sat (sun) Vespers not done in a more festive melody vs presanctified.

The question could also be stated like

When do you do Presanctified melody (Mon -> Sat?) vs festive melody (Sun?)

Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 421
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 421
I especially want to know this as far as READER SERVICES OF THE HOROS ...

If you conduct a reader service as Reader - IS IT DONE IN THE PRESANCTIFIED LITURGY MODE - without of course consecration etc.

This question is for all the hours

Joined: Aug 1998
Posts: 4,286
Likes: 16
Moderator
Member
Offline
Moderator
Member
Joined: Aug 1998
Posts: 4,286
Likes: 16
Originally Posted by haydukovich
Sat Vespers is done in presanctified mode - DL Not - right?

Wrong. Sat Vespers is done as normal.


My cromulent posts embiggen this forum.
Joined: Aug 1998
Posts: 4,286
Likes: 16
Moderator
Member
Offline
Moderator
Member
Joined: Aug 1998
Posts: 4,286
Likes: 16
Originally Posted by haydukovich
I especially want to know this as far as READER SERVICES OF THE HOROS ...

If you conduct a reader service as Reader - IS IT DONE IN THE PRESANCTIFIED LITURGY MODE - without of course consecration etc.

This question is for all the hours

The Hours are chanted recto tono as always.


My cromulent posts embiggen this forum.
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 421
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 421
Thank you Deacon Lance ...

Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 421
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 421
So the next questions about Presanctified Liturgies is

Can they be celebrated Mon Tue Wed Th Fr?

Are they ever in our modern world of busy people?

Are Divine Liturgies celebrated DAILY - anywhere? Why not?


Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 844
Member
OP Offline
Member
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 844
Well, just got the schedules of Presanctified Liturgies from Holy Spirit Parish and from St. John the Baptist Cathedral. It seems like Holy Spirit Parish is holding their first one tomorrow, but throughout the Great Fast, it appears Fr. James Batcha will be holding weekly Presanctified Liturgies Wednesdays at St. Nicholas Parish outside of downtown Cleveland, and Fridays at Holy Spirit Parish.

St. John the Baptist Cathedral will be holding Presanctified Liturgies on Wednesdays and Fridays. I suppose the thumb rule, on days of abstinence, these are the nights in which these are held. Not sure if it was set up that way in the Eparchy of Parma, but it seems to work.

Joined: Aug 1998
Posts: 4,286
Likes: 16
Moderator
Member
Offline
Moderator
Member
Joined: Aug 1998
Posts: 4,286
Likes: 16
I don't know of any jurisdiction that allows them outside the days I posted. In Greek practice it is common to only have Presantified on Wed night and doing Compline with Akathist Fri night.

Divine Liturgy is forbidden Mon-Fri of the Great Fast, Annunciation excepted. Outside of Lent, probably only in monasteries.


My cromulent posts embiggen this forum.
Page 2 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Administrator, Father Anthony 

Link Copied to Clipboard
The Byzantine Forum provides message boards for discussions focusing on Eastern Christianity (though discussions of other topics are welcome). The views expressed herein are those of the participants and may or may not reflect the teachings of the Byzantine Catholic or any other Church. The Byzantine Forum and the www.byzcath.org site exist to help build up the Church but are unofficial, have no connection with any Church entity, and should not be looked to as a source for official information for any Church. All posts become property of byzcath.org. Contents copyright - 1996-2022 (Forum 1998-2022). All rights reserved.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5