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I have heard it said on a number of occasions that Pope Benedict declared that nothing should be required of the Orthodox in ecumenical dialogue with them that the Church had not said in the first millennium.
Having looked for a reference, though, I can not find anything to this effect. Am I going crazy, and just imagined this? Or can someone point me to a source for this?
A speedy response would be much appreciated, as I am in the midst of a conversation about this.
With thanks in advance.
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Rome must not require more from the East with respect to the doctrine of primacy than had been formulated and was lived in the first millennium. When the Patriarch Athenagoras, on July 25, 1967, on the occasion of the Pope’s visit to Phanar, designated him as the successor of St. Peter, as the most esteemed among us, as one also presides in charity, this great Church leader was expressing the essential content of the doctrine of primacy as it was known in the first millennium. Rome need not ask for more. Reunion could take place in this context if, on the one hand, the East would cease to oppose as heretical the developments that took place in the West in the second millennium and would accept the Catholic Church as legitimate and orthodox in the form she had acquired in the course of that development, while, on the other hand, the West would recognize the Church of the East as orthodox and legitimate in the form she has always had. Ratzinger, Joseph: Principles of Catholic Theology, Ignatius, 1976, page 199
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Ah! Thank you, Nelson! I am not giving crazy after all.
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I wonder if the above quotation from then Fr. Josef Ratzinger is the official stance of the Catholic Church, or even reflective of the later thinking of Pope Benedict XVI.
In an intriguing article ( [url=http://orthocath.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/are-the-ratzinger-and-zoghby-proposals-dead-20080404-1.pdf]Are the Ratzinger Proposal and Zoghby Initiative Dead?[/url]) that caused a bit of a stir a few years ago, Eastern Catholic Dr. Joseph Barstead argued, 'Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger’s signature on the letter to the Melkite patriarch [rejecting the Zoghby initiative] makes it clear that whatever his private opinion may be about his earlier proposal—made before he assumed responsibility for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith—that proposal is not on the table in any official context.'
I'm of the opinion that the 70s were heady times, and that probably even Pope-Emeritus Benedict now thinks that the ecumenical road is longer and less clear than it may have seemed back then.
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Dear Charles,
Can you please explain what the Zoghby Initiative has to do with the issue of Primacy? As I understand it, the Zoghby Initiative is not officially popular among the EO either. The basis for rejecting the Zoghby Initiative by whomever does not seem to have anything to do with the issue of Primacy.
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Ah! Thank you, Nelson! I am not giving crazy after all. Slavophile, you need the full story. Clarifications are in order: In a lecture given in Graz, Austria in 1976, Professor Ratzinger made the following statement: Although it is not given to us to halt the flight of history, to change the course of centuries, we may say, nevertheless, that what was possible for a thousand years is not impossible for Christians today...Rome must not require more from the East with respect to the doctrine of primacy than had been formulated and was lived in the first millennium. When the Patriarch Athenagoras, on July 25, 1967,...designated [the Pope] as the successor of St. Peter, as the most esteemed among us, as one who presides in charity, this great Church leader was expressing the essential content of the doctrine of primacy as it was known in the first millennium. Rome need not ask for more. Reunion could take place in this context if, on the one hand, the East would cease to oppose as heretical the developments that took place in the West in the second millennium and would accept the Catholic Church as legitimate and orthodox in the form she had acquired in the course of that development, while on the other hand, the West would recognize the Church of the East as orthodox in the form she has always had.
Source: Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Principles of Catholic Theology (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1987), 199 As far as I know, this is the one and only time that he made such a statement and it was said when he was Professor Ratzinger and not as Pope Benedict XVI. The key phrase is "with respect to the doctrine of primacy" and therefore doesn't involve other doctrines of the Catholic Church. Years later, he would no longer hold to this view: A kind of ecumenical dogma seems to be developing here which needs some attention. Quite likely it began with this train of thought: for intercommunion with the Orthodox, the Catholic Church need not necessarily insist on acceptance of the dogmas of the second millennium. It was presumed that the Eastern Churches have retained the traditional form of the first millennium, which in itself is legitimate and, if rightly understood, contains no contradiction to further developments. The latter after all only unfolded what was already there in principle in the time of the undivided Church. I myself have already taken part in attempts to work out things like this, but meanwhile they have grown out of hand to the point at which councils and the dogmatic decisions of the second millennium are supposed not to be regarded as ecumenical but as particular developments in the Latin Church, constituting its private property in the sense of "our two traditions". But this distorts the first attempt to think things out into a completely new thesis with far-reaching consequences. For this way of looking at it actually implies a denial of the existence of the Universal Church in the second millennium, while tradition as a living, truth-giving power is frozen at the end of the first. This strikes at the very heart of the idea of Church and tradition, because ultimately such an age test dissolves the full authority of the Church, which is then left without a voice at the present day.
Source: Joseph Ratzinger, Church, Ecumenism and Politics, Ignatius Press, 1987. It is clear by the time he was named cardinal and head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that he no longer held to the so-called "Ratzinger Proposal" as evidenced by his response to the Zoghby Initiative: As to the Greek Melkite Catholics declaring their complete adhesion to the teaching of Eastern Orthodoxy, it is necessary to take into account the fact that the Orthodox Churches today are not in full communion with the Church of Rome, and that this adhesion is therefore not possible as long as there is not a full correspondence in the profession and exercise of the faith by the two parties...
...We know that the doctrine concerning the primacy of the Roman Pontiff has experienced a development over time within the framework of the explanation of the Church’s faith, and it has to be retained in its entirety, which means from its origins to our day. For further reading on this: http://orthocath.files.wordpress.co...and-zoghby-proposals-dead-20080404-1.pdf
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I wonder if the above quotation from then Fr. Josef Ratzinger is the official stance of the Catholic Church, or even reflective of the later thinking of Pope Benedict XVI. No and no.
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