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http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0604841.htm

Will this ever get resolved?

There doesn't seem to really be anything newsworthy here, because we all know by following Catholic news that nothing substantial has happened in the past year.

Naturally, virtually nothing of great import occurs from early- to mid-July to mid-September at the Vatican, due to the Pope's vacationing and reflection period. So we can definitely count on nothing happening for at least another month.

One would assume that, in his away time, the Pontiff is giving this (and other) issues quite a deal of prayer and thought, perhaps plotting his future course. We should start to pick up tidbits again, and hopefully much more, later in the year.

Logos Teen

Rome as they say has been closed for the northern Summer holidays. HH has been up the north of Italy when he was not at the summer palace up at Castel Gandolfo in the cool Alban Hills south of Rome. I dont think some of us sceptics thought that much was going to happen here for a while.

As a sympathetic person towards the Pius X Society, I wish this horrible "schism" would end SOON !!

The church needs good priests-The society has bout 500 of em'

Nothing would be better for us in the USA than the Society to be "legalized"

Oh my, but we might offend some of the ecumaniacs !!

This is indeed an internal problem for Rome, however most Orthodox on here could (I might substitute should) support our fight for liturgical tradition.

I might add since this subject is VERY near and dear to my heart, that the seminaries of the Pius X and Frat. Order of St. Peter are FULL !! Hello, HELLO !!!!!!!!!!!

My oh my, nothing is quite as successful as tradition.

They will have to become Roman Catholics first. The 'legal' RCs are St Peter the Priest. So if it was a simple as all that why are they still staying out when an option has been provided for these people.

As for offending "Ecumeniacs" I think loyalty and obedience to the Holy Father would appeal to the heart of the Orthodox people, more than we know better than the Pope and all the bishops in Council. Personally I hope the Old Rite is permitted in all places for the RCs. A positive bi-product will be that it will clear out some who have taken over some of our Byzantine churches and ruined them with all their Latinisms they have brought with them. They will have somewhere else to go at last that is more appropriate and they will be cared for properly.

Sadly I think a lot of these people will stay out of the Church, as they have been running their own show for too long now and wont take to kindly to following orders from others.

Kansassummer is very right in stating that traditional RC seminaries and orders are bursting at the seams...this has been disussed many a time here.

Pavel,

I know you mean well and that this has been hashed and rehashed many times on this Forum (just search: "SSPX," kansassummer, to see past threads), but I have to take issue with a couple of things you said:

In fact, Catholics who attend SSPX Masses or churches are just that: Roman Catholics. The SSPX is a sacerdotal fraternity and does not include laymembers. While it is possible that actual members of the SSPX are schismatic, i.e. the priests, monks, and the four bishops, people who go to SSPX churches are not schismatic.

I would think not!

Logos Teen

Teen,

you said
this last paragraph is not worthy of you.

It is uncharitable towards the RC Church in general

Full seminaries do not tell the whole story.

I would be more interested in seeing the stats of seminary enrollment and ordinations.

I wonder if the numbers are significantly lower for those ordained.

I have heard that some of those who enter these "traditional" orders and dioceses have been turned down elsewhere.

I know they might have been turned down for their orthodoxy but one has to wonder for those who actually chose to leave the Church and enter into schism.

In fact, Catholics who attend SSPX Masses or churches are just that: Roman Catholics. The SSPX is a sacerdotal fraternity and does not include laymembers. While it is possible that actual members of the SSPX are schismatic, i.e. the priests, monks, and the four bishops, people who go to SSPX churches are not schismatic.

Dear Teen,

Do you suggest it is OK for Roman Catholic laity to follow schismatic priests. I have heard the SSPX priests preach. They may call themselves Roman Catholic but they leave no doubt they are outside communion with the Church of Rome. They are very good at telling others they aren't though.

Dear Kansassummer,

I guess you can count me in as an "ecumaniac". If the Holy Father were to agree with the SSPX it would set Catholic-Orthodox relations/dialog back a 1,000 years.

Bill

The header for this thread should have read:

No progress with SSPX says Vatican

I know, I know, it was Bishop Fellay who was being interviewed.

Bill

Many SSPXers are nutty, they pick and choose what they want to believe and which Pope, etc.

One simple reason why SSPX seminaries are "bursting" is that they are very small and numerically tiny. A "seminary" built for 10 men, with 15 is "bursting" and there being only 2 of them would make it all the more "overfull".. However, I wonder how they are realistically...

As for SSPX influencing Catholic-Orthodox relations, I don't think they would do anything more or less than ROCA/True Orthodox/HOCNA or even some fringe members of ROCOR.

Dear Michael,

Ah, yes! I would not call the SSPX nutty, nor the "traditional" Orthodox; simply misguided. I am a John Paul II Catholic and so is Benedict XVI.

I know there is much to be ironed out, but John Paul at least caught the ear of the Orthodox, and Benedict will take it from there.

In prayer to our father among the saints, John Paul the Great,
Bill

Dear brother Michael:

Aren't the SSPX opposed to ecumenism, which they view as a diminution of the Catholic Church's claim to be the one true Church? I think this is what RCguest is referring to when he says that if the Holy Father agreed with SSPX, it would set back Catholic-Orthodox relations.

Blessings,
Marduk

Dear Mardukm,

You've hit the nail on the head.

Bill