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#47434 04/13/05 11:47 AM
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I myself refuse to recite the "F" word when reciting the Creed (English translation, of course) I am glad that His Holiness Pope John Paul ll(eternal rest and a speedy canonization) dispensed with the Filioque when worshipping with Eastern Catholics. All I know is that our Lord Jesus Christ, in the Gospel according to John, said that the Holy Spirit would come from the Father, and that He, Jesus, would also send the Holy Spirit from the Father and not from Himself, and the words of Jesus are good enough for me.
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As I have learnt from my friend Alex, not all the Eastern Catholics are obliged to recognise the filioque statement, but it's a matter of respect to understand that once we are Catholics (even in different rites), we must respect each other's points of view.
I have as source of faith what the Church states in the Catechism. About the filioque matter the catechism says:
246 The Latin tradition of the Creed confesses that the Spirit "proceeds from the Father and the Son (filioque)". The Council of Florence in 1438 explains: "The Holy Spirit is eternally from Father and Son; He has his nature and subsistence at once (simul) from the Father and the Son. He proceeds eternally from both as from one principle and through one spiration. . . . And, since the Father has through generation given to the only-begotten Son everything that belongs to the Father, except being Father, the Son has also eternally from the Father, from whom he is eternally born, that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son."
Of course you have all the right of professing your faith the way you received from your Eastern Tradition, but, please, respect other people's faith.

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Detail: If you look in my profile you'll see that I am a Roman Catholic person.

#47437 04/14/05 09:18 AM
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Dear Friends,

Yes, Fr. John Meyendorff in his book on the Orthodox Church actually says that the Filioque was a "logical consequence" of the way the Western Church understood the Holy Trinity.

There are Orthodox teachers today who say there is no longer any problem on this score.

The remaining issue is whether the Filioque should remain in the Nicene Creed, a Creed that was affirmed by all CHurches as an expression of their universal faith (as opposed to the Latin Church theology expressed in the Filioque).

As a Roman theological tradition, the Filioque poses no problem for the Orthodox East.

And Pope John Paul the Great has led the way in affirming that one need not use the Filioque in the Nicene Creed.

Alex

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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
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As a Roman theological tradition, the Filioque poses no problem for the Orthodox East.

And Pope John Paul the Great has led the way in affirming that one need not use the Filioque in the Nicene Creed.

Alex
The Vatican's Clarification on the Filioque issued back in the mid-1990s was an excellent step in the right direction.

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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
[b] [. . .]

As a Roman theological tradition, the Filioque poses no problem for the Orthodox East.

And Pope John Paul the Great has led the way in affirming that one need not use the Filioque in the Nicene Creed.

Alex
The Vatican's Clarification on the Filioque issued back in the mid-1990s was an excellent step in the right direction. [/b]
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