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I've always celebrated Christmas in both December and January. Part of the product of growing up w/ one parent of each persuasion.

We also celebrated the feast of St. Nicholas twice, although not with presents. My uncle of that name was born on 12/19!



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Dear Mark,

Well, she should have received her gifts on Dec. 19th - then she could have told her school mates that she gets gifts ahead of them because she follows the True Calendar! wink

And the ROCOR has established a feast of All American Saints, including St Herman of Alaska on December 25th so people can have a party and not feel left out.

In addition, she could tell her friends that receiving gifts on December 25 is a Protestant tradition introduced by Martin Luther - and that to undercut love for St Nicholas.

So it is they who are in danger of angering old St Nick!

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I find it very hard to observe St. Philip's fast with the same rigour as Great Lent. In fact, I don't. There is something psychologically or spiritually in me that does not allow for that outside of that special time of Lent. More to the point, we lack the same liturgical supports for other fasting periods that we have so wonderfully in Great Lent (Liturgy of the Pre-Sanctified, etc.)
I wholeheartedly agree with you, Adam. I also share these sentiments. Since the Pilipivka is recognized by the church as one of the "lesser fasts" I think this is a reasonable approach. At our house the usual rule for lesser fasts is abstaining from meat Monday-Friday, and no meat nor dairy on Wednesday and Friday as well as Christmas and Theophany eves. When you have dairy goats and kids (both human and caprine) it is tough to leave off dairy completely outside of the Great Fast.

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Dear Friends,

Some time ago, several families in the parish approached and asked me for some direction in how to prepare their children (and themselves) for Christmas.

After some prayer, a preparation program was developed. It was inspired partly by the Kondak written by St. Romanos:

"Today the Virgin gives birth to the transcendent One,
And the earth offers a cave to the unapproachable One;
Angles with shepherds glorify Him!
The wise men journey with the star,
Since, for our sake the eternal God was born as a little child!"


And this program was also inspired by the message of the Icon of the Nativity.

A large icon was created for this program. The backround of the cave was painted without the figures. They were painted separately. And on the Sundays before Christmas a figure or two were placed on the icon, and a special sermon was preached.

Below is a reprint that was included in the Sunday bulletin, explaining the program.

Even though the time of the Christmas Fast is difficult to keep in our day. Some type of preparation should be done, so that everyone will know that "GOD Is With Us."

I share this with the hope that it might be helpful for some.
Peace.


From the parish bulletin:

"Over the coming weeks, the children of our parish will be preparing for Christmas in a very special way.

Our preparation activity will focus our attention, on the message that is contained within the icon of Christmas, the Icon of the Nativity of our Lord Jesus Christ. As the figures of the Christmas story are placed on the Icon, week after week, we will see the story of Christmas unfold before our eyes, and discover that each figure is performing the same action - the act of giving.

God is giving His Son. The earth is giving a cave. The star is giving light. The angels are giving songs of praise. The shepherds are giving their wonderment and awe. The three kings are giving presents. The animals are giving warmth to keep the Christ Child warm. The midwives are giving Jesus a bath. Joseph gives his faithfulness, despite the doubts in his mind concerning the miracle of Christ's birth.

Mary, who offered herself to God, conceived of the Holy Spirit, and gave birth to the Son of God, continues in her self giving. The centrality of Mary's position in the icon, reminds us, that just as she gave her self to God, so too, we are called give ourselves to God, so that His healing touch of love can work through us, to reach many people. Then the world will hear the Good News of Christmas: GOD IS WITH US.

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Finally. A practical, pastoral thread on the Byzantine Forum! Thank-you Fr. Dmytro!
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