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Originally posted by Pavel Ivanovich:
No...white Latin purifiers what hang limp and unused each and every time. GAAACK!!!! I've seen this in use!! Though the place I saw using them had lace on the edges too. I am slowly coming to the opinion that the Uks have no liturgical standards at all. Everything is happening in fits and starts. The Ukr Bishop is Canadian so what they rediscover is copied here. If they are not onto something, then neither are they here. There's hope yet - the Basilians are getting better, and there's always the Studites!
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You are too kind about the Basilians.
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Interestingly, canon 881�1 of the CCEO reads: "The Christian faithful are bound by the obligation to participate on Sundays and feast days in the Divine Liturgy, or according to the prescriptions or legitimate customs of their own Church sui iuris, in the celebration of the divine praises." Are there any sui juris Churches that permit their faithful to satisfy their "Sunday obligation" by participating in the "divine praises"? If the UGCC is one of these, then this might be a solution that satisfies both the pastoral needs of the people and the liturgical tradition of the Byzantine rite. Thoughts? Peace, Alex NvV Originally posted by Pavel Ivanovich:
The UGCC down here has Sat evening D. Lit. Like the Latins. We have a big problem with sporting activities on Sunday mornings and putting on a Liturgy after sun set was seen as the best that could be done. If they dont come to UGCC then they go to the Latins who started the Masses after sunset (first vespers etc).
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A thought crossed my mind here that they are talking about places where there is no priest and therefore no D. Liturgy but the faithful gather together anyway and have a service and may even have Communion.
I doubt they are saying the obligation can be satisfied with a choice of one or the other happening at the same time in the same place. I feel this is a case of one or the other.
An example that comes to mind. In the island State of Tasmania there is no resident UGCC Priest at all but they have a Deacon. There are services and the Deacon gives communion at this service. Those who attend satisfy their obligations. When the Priest arrives from across Bass Straight on the ferry (the joke the Tasmanians dont like is to be told the ferry comes from Australia) they have the Liturgy and of course satify their Sunday obligation.
Just a thought.
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WIth regard to fasting in the Latin Church, I share with you the "guideline" posted in our Sunday bulletin each week: "Fasting consists of not eating between meals."
Not eating between meals? Fasting, among us, has now degenerated into refraining from snacks!
Lord have mercy! Please pray for us, my Eastern brothers and sisters. We have lost so much, and continue to trade our inheritance for a "mess of pottage."
Sign me,
A Sad and Disillusioned Latin
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