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I recently read a fascinating article about the Miraculous Medal and it's connection with the Eastern Churches. I thought I would share it. Silouan, monk

"t is not only at Fatima that Mary's Motherhood points toward the East; in his analysis of the Miraculous Medal Father Messias suggested that the Medal was an icon rather than a Western representation. Its oval shape is an unusual shape for a Western medal, but in the East the oval is a sign of resurrection, of eternal life - suggested to them by the shape of an egg, a natural symbol for life. The fact that the Medal is entirely symbolic seems to place it much closer to the Eastern art of iconography than to Western realistic art. Surely for our Eastern brethren to think of the Medal as a heaven-given icon would create the strongest of links with the Latin Church. Our Lady indeed gave it in Paris in this concept, but her eyes would have been turned toward the East at the same time. Is it too much to think that the Mother of the Church, prophesying the future, was deliberately creating another bond of unity between East and West? Does not the gift of this Medal from Our Blessed Mother fully justify the orthodox defense of images against the iconoclasts a thousand years ago? Because of what the Eastern church suffered perhaps the Medal as an icon means more to the Orthodox than we can estimate."

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This has just struck a chord with me . :rolleyes:

Somehwere very recently I read a description of the Miraculous Medal but it was in what I would call eastern terms - suggesting the rays should be regarded as indicative of the presence of the Son. I know this was also mentioned by Alex in a thread as well - but I'm absolutely sure that I have read more than just this.

I have to admit that it's the only Western medal that I know of that is oval in shape and has never changed it's shape. Most are round - but that one is never round.

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My two cents:

I don't find oval medallions to be rare in the West. I have a little jar full of Western medals I've collected over the years (most of them those inexpensive Italian made ones you find in Catholic stores) and the majority are oval in shape. I don't know if that was the case in the past, but in the present, ovals are not rare. I also think the idea of the oval being more Eastern is a bit of a stretch.

Now, please don't take my next comments in the wrong way, but... I do not think that an object marked with the words "O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee" will bring the East and West closer. The shape won't make any difference. I don't want this to start a thread about the Immaculate Conception and Orthodoxy (I know Alex just got the sudden urge to mention Saint Dmitri of Rostov about now... wink ) but in general, I do not see the Miraculous Medal as being a link between the Catholics and the Orthodox. I think we have plenty of other things that link us.

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Dear Friends,

An interesting idea that I had not seen expressed before. Perhaps the Miraculous Medal foreshadowed the message of Fatima about the need to heal the divisions of the Church.

There is another image of the Theotokos from the Western Church that is always represented in an oval or nearly oval shape, the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe. This was of course three hundred years before the Miraculous Medal. The Lord has a plan. Maybe these are pieces of the puzzle.

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Dear Friends,

An interesting discussion by an interesting Monk! smile

The OCA website actually describes the festal icon for the "Conception of St Anne."

It says that the icon for this Orthodox feast depicts the Mother of God in full stature, with hands lowered toward the earth - and on the frame are her parents, Sts. Joachim and Anne.

In fact, this depiction of the Mother of God is exactly that of the "Miraculous Medal."

This is the OCA, not St Dmitri of Rostov or myself talking smile .

Professor Poselianin also includes several icons depicting the Mother of God in this manner among the Orthodox miraculous icons.

One in particular is called the "Immaculate Mother."

The crown of twelve stars, the rays from the hands, the moon underneath the Mother of God - these are all symbols seen in other Orthodox miraculous icons as well (OstraBrama is an excellent example).

In addition, we know that this is exactly how the Mother of God has appeared in recent times even at Orthodox shrines.

Eye-witnesses and even a photograph taken at Zeitoun in Egypt show the Mother of God standing with hands down and opened out toward the world.

So the iconic image on the miraculous medal itself is entirely in keeping with Eastern traditions.

The wording "O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee" is also something that need not turn off any Easterner wink .

Russian Orthodox emigres in France developed a strong veneration for Lourdes and the Immaculate Conception reference did not offend them.

In fact, the term "Immaculate Conception" DOES appear in the Octoechos. Not frequently, but I have seen it, much to my surprise . . .

This phrase need not ONLY refer to the Augustinian notion of "stain of Original Sin" but also to the fact that the Mother of God became a Temple of the Holy Spirit at her Conception.

It was not that she did not have any "stain" in the Augustinian sense. If that was all there was to her Conception, then she would have truly been conceived "in sin" understood as "the state of rebellion or sinfulness."

But by being sanctified by the Spirit at her Conception (as the liturgical services for this Eastern Feast indicate), she truly was "conceived without sin" where even the slightest inclination to sinfulness was absent in her due to the great outpouring of the Holy Spirit into her soul!

That prayer is truly an Eastern one!

Since St Dmitri of Rostov was mentioned wink , let me reiterate that Orthodox Christians like him of the Kyivan Baroque practiced the devotion of the Immaculate Conception, adopted from France, and wore a similar medal (in those days, it would not have the inscriptions on the back of the contemporary miraculous medal).

There were even Orthodox Brotherhoods of the Immaculate Conception, and articles have been written on this, published by the University of Dayton's Marian Library - I have one, but I'd have to look for it.

I've also seen Ukrainian Orthodox articles on this at St Vladimir's Library here in Toronto.

Ukrainian Orthodox members of these Brotherhoods in the 18th century wore medals similar to the miraculous medal.

They also frequently said this form of the Panaghia prayer: "Presvyata i Neporochnozachata Bozha Maty, spasy nas!" Or, "Most Holy and Immaculately Conceived Theotokos, save us!"

They ALSO took the bloody vow, the Western practice of vowing to defend to the death the Immaculate Conception of the Mother of God.

Even St Gregory Palamas, in his sermon on the Dormition of the Mother of God, seems, as commentators have said, to believe in a version of the Immaculate Conception.

In any event, the Miraculous Medal is a devotion that can be legitimately adopted by any Eastern Christian.

I am proud to wear a large one that I obtained at Rue du Bac in Paris.

This medal, for me, provides a link to my favourite Orthodox Saints of the Kyivan Baroque . . .

I think I'll do an Akathist to it . . . smile

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Dear Friends,

An interesting discussion by an interesting Monk! smile ..........

This medal, for me, provides a link to my favourite Orthodox Saints of the Kyivan Baroque . . .

I think I'll do an Akathist to it . . . smile

Alex
Now just hold on a minute Alex, wink

Before you write any more , there is the little matter of the translation into Ukrainian of the Akathist to Our Lady of Lourdes - I go there at the beginning of September and it looks as if I will be going empty handed frown frown frown frown

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I'm not sure how this could be regarded as eastern. The Theotokos is RARELY if ever depicted in iconography without her Son.

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I'm not sure how this could be regarded as eastern. The Theotokos is RARELY if ever depicted in iconography without her Son.
I would tend to agree. It is a "reach" to describe the M.M. as "Eastern". It was based on a vision by St. Catherine, and has its own rich history and meaning.

Sometimes good things come from the West too! wink

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John K....

Please look at the ikons of the Nativity of the Mother of God, the Entrance of the Mother of God into the Temple and the Patronage/Protection of the Mother of God. These are MAJOR Feasts in our Church and they do not show the Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Hope this helps...

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Dear John K. and TG,

In fact, the Miraculous Medal does NOT portray the Mother of God without Her Son.

She is depicted there as the "Woman clothed with the Sun" and the "Sun" is, in fact, Christ.

This version of iconic type is in Orthodoxy itself and is the festal icon for the Conception of St Anne, according to even the OCA website of Saints and Feasts. (Don't take my ignorant word for it, have a look for yourselves).

There are MANY icons of the Theotokos in Orthodoxy that depict her without visible reference to her Son, by the way.

The icons of Ostrama Brama, Joy of all Joys, the Seven Arrows, the Oranta, the icon "Ohnevidna," and many others illustrated with line drawings and descriptions in Prof. Poselianin's book.

The fact that the image of the Miraculous Medal has been accepted by Orthodoxy in a series of miraculous Icons is evidence that the image does not offend Orthodox traditions in the least.

The vision of St Catherine Laboure was just that.

But it was not a unique vision as the image of the Mother of God (Our Lady of Revelation) depicted in that manner was around for centuries before.

What WAS unique was the inscription on the back of the medal.

It is an image that is shared by both East and West.

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Thanks Mark--

Obviously her nativity and entrance into the Temple wouldn't show Christ. The Protection icons I've seen, especially the one in my church does have Christ appearing above the church, above the Theotokos.

I guess I can classify those as "events" as opposed to "icons of the Theotokos." One of the only icons I can think of where she is portrayed without Christ is MOG-Joy of all who Sorrow.

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Thanks Mark--

Obviously her nativity and entrance into the Temple wouldn't show Christ. The Protection icons I've seen, especially the one in my church does have Christ appearing above the church, above the Theotokos.

I guess I can classify those as "events" as opposed to "icons of the Theotokos." One of the only icons I can think of where she is portrayed without Christ is MOG-Joy of all who Sorrow.

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Dear Anhelyna,

John seems unmoved by either of our posts.

Perhaps he doesn't see them for the fluttering flag of Old Glory? wink

I know that flag gets in my eyes whenever I'm down in the States!

Makes me see stars too . . .

And let's remember, Anhelyna, that your avatar or St Seraphim's Icon was, in fact, a Western icon that St Seraphim simply loved and adopted as his own.

Despite its Western provenance, the Orthodox Church has canonized it as one of its very own miraculous icons, as it has done with "Madonna della Strada" and others.

Still no reaction from John?

Oh, well . . . wink

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Dear Anhelyna,

John seems unmoved by either of our posts.

Perhaps he doesn't see them for the fluttering flag of Old Glory? wink

I know that flag gets in my eyes whenever I'm down in the States!

Makes me see stars too . . .

And let's remember, Anhelyna, that your avatar or St Seraphim's Icon was, in fact, a Western icon that St Seraphim simply loved and adopted as his own.

Despite its Western provenance, the Orthodox Church has canonized it as one of its very own miraculous icons, as it has done with "Madonna della Strada" and others.

Still no reaction from John?

Oh, well . . . wink

Alex
OK if he doesn't appreciate my Western Icon [ which was got in France if I recall correctly in a RUSSIAN Cathedral there ]- there is still the matter of the other Icon I mentioned [ and have a lovely copy]

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Dear Anhelyna,

Yes, and in a Russian Cathedral consecrated with Tsar Nicholas II in attendance!

Still no response from John?

God bless America!

Alex

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