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What is it with the Ruthenian Byzantine bishops in the USA and their inability to live with traditional eastern monastercism? Are they so Roman Catholic and so removed from their own church culture? Are they still the victims of western colonialism and cant get passed their victim hood. First Miami and now there are rumblings elsewhere that all that is not in a western religious structure is simply too hard for them to to deal with.
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What are you talking about? Holy Resurrection Monastery is as Eastern as they come and enjoys the full support of the Metropolia. As for Miami I am not convinced losing two monks embroiled in controversy is a loss at all.
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Dear Pavel,
This is just my opinion but I think that maybe tradtional Eatern monasticism is too challenging for the the Eastern Catholic bishops.A lot of them (bishops) live in sheer luxery compared to the lifestyle and sacrifices and prayers (duration,style and frequency)and fasting discipline. I myself believe that if it was not for the monastics(male & female) the whole universe would be in choas and I believe that thought originally came from Thomas Merton. Anyway lets continue to pray for everyone.
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Dear Deacon Lance, How is it that the Metropolia supports tradtional eastern monasticsm ? Is it monetery ? I am curious because I never hear monastiscm promoted in any written communication from the Metropolia or from the Eparchy so it must be financial, right ? I think every parish in the Metropolia should give a percentage of the weekly tithing to the support and education of priest and monks. Now I have really gone too far,being a layperson and thinking and O my gosh I am a woman too ! 
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Originally posted by Ludmilla: Dear Pavel,
This is just my opinion but I think that maybe traditional Eatern monasticism is too challenging for the the Eastern Catholic bishops.A lot of them (bishops) live in sheer luxery compared to the lifestyle and sacrifices and prayers (duration,style and frequency)and fasting discipline of Traditional Eastern monastics . I myself believe that if it was not for the monastics(male & female) the whole universe would be in choas... a thought that originally came from Thomas Merton in his autobiographical work "The Seven Story Mountain".So yes the Ruthenian Churches in the United States are very Latinized. To some returning to our traditions means installing confessionals and having novenas while doing away with Akathists,Molebens, Vesperal Divine Liturgies and anything that might smack of monasticism.  Anyway lets continue to pray for everyone.
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Originally posted by Pavel Ivanovich:
What is it with the Ruthenian Byzantine bishops in the USA and their inability to live with traditional eastern monastercism? Are they so Roman Catholic and so removed from their own church culture? Are they still the victims of western colonialism and cant get passed their victim hood. First Miami and now there are rumblings elsewhere that all that is not in a western religious structure is simply too hard for them to to deal with. Paul, I find it hard to believe that someone in Australia would have a clear understanding to any situation in the Metropolia of Pittsburgh. Perhaps you have some insight that we here in the States lack. Rather than post generalities ("rumblings elsewhere") on a forum, perhaps you need to direct your questions to the bishops that be. Ludmilla, I don't know where or how you live, but I'd imagine most Eastern Catholics live in sheer luxury as compared to their bishops, but that does not mean parishioners are worse than the bishops or monks. The monasteries certainly do get press in the months and weeks before their respective pilgrimages. Perfection, then, is clearly not achieved simply by being naked, by the lack of wealth or by the rejection of honors, unless there is also that love whose ingredients the apostle described and which is to be found solely in the purity of heart. Not to be jealous, not to be puffed up, not to act heedlessly, not to seek what does not belong to one, not to rejoice over some injustice, not to plan evil- what is this and its like if not the continuous offering to God of a heart that is perfect and truly pure, a heart kept free of all disturbance? St John Cassian, Conferences, Conference One,
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PROBLEMS???????
What's the problem????
In the movie "The Ten Commandments" -- remember when Moses was exiled to the desert and the narrator said, "Cleansed and purged for God's great purpose, the metal is ready for the Maker's Hand."
The monastics are in the "desert" and are being molded by God's Hand. It is NOT a problem. It is a joy.
AND NOT ONLY THAT, but it is my understanding that most of the monastics are in the Western U.S. and the people of the West have always been pioneers.
The Lord knows what He is doing. Believe me, He knows what He's doing.
And P.S. -- on this Feastday of the 12 Apostles, I heard that 20 or so years ago, there was circulating a page by someone who did a personality profile of the 12 apostles and by human, worldy standards, 11 of them were failures including Peter who was called a "bumbling idiot" and the only one of the original 12 who was considered a success in worldly terms was Judas and we know what he did.
Our Lord chooses whom He will for His own reasons. He knows what He's doing.
Let us pray for one another.
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