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You mean to tell me there is no indult mass in the metro area of LA ?

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This is why the Old Mass-Missal of Pius V is needed...only in L.A. with the approval of Cardinal Mahony...and from The Tidings, official newspaper of the Archdiocese...

"The Oct. 29 kick-off event is a Missa Gaia (Earth Mass), 8 p.m. at the Sacred Heart Chapel with Jesuit Father John Coleman presiding. The contemporary liturgy celebrates the whole earth as a sacred space by integrating recorded sounds such as the calls of wolves, whales, eagles and seals". eek

Yet the Cardinal restricts the Indult...

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What is this nonsense? I thought the Anglicans were the only ones pulling this new age b.s.....
This Jesuit should be formally excommunicated for heresy for even thinking of "celebrating" this crap.
For those who don't know What "Gaia" is - [pantheon.org]
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Gaia

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Gaia or Gaea, known as Earth or Mother Earth (the Greek common noun for "land" is ge or ga). She was an early earth goddess and it is written that Gaia was born from Chaos, the great void of emptiness within the universe, and with her came Eros. She gave birth to Pontus (the Sea) and Uranus (the Sky). This was achieved parthenogenetically (without male intervention). Other versions say that Gaia had as siblings Tartarus (the lowest part of the earth, below Hades itself) and Eros, and without a mate, gave birth to Uranus (Sky), Ourea (Mountains) and Pontus (Sea).

Gaia took as her husband Uranus, who was also her son, and their offspring included the Titans, six sons and six daughters. She gave birth to the Cyclopes and to three monsters that became known as the "Hecatonchires". The spirits of punishment known as the Erinyes were also offspring of Gaia and Uranus. The Gigantes, finally, were conceived after Uranus had been castrated by his son Cronus, and his blood fell to earth from the open wound.

To protect her children from her husband, (the Cyclopes and the Hecatoncheires, as he was fearful of their great strength), Gaia hid them all within herself. One version says that Uranus was aghast at the sight of his offspring so he hid them away in Tartarus, which are the bowels of the earth. Gaia herself found her offspring uncomfortable and at times painful, when the discomfort became to much to bear she asked her youngest son Cronus to help her. She asked him to castrate Uranus, thus severing the union between the Earth and Sky, and also to prevent more monstrous offspring. To help Cronus achieve his goal Gaia produced an adamantine sickle to serve as the weapon. Cronus hid until Uranus came to lay with Gaia and as Uranus drew near, Cronus struck with the sickle, cutting the genitalia from Uranus. Blood fell from the severed genitals and came in contact with the earth and from that union was born the Erinyes (Furies), the Giants and the Meliae (Nymphs of the manna ash trees).

After the separation of the Earth from the Sky, Gaia gave birth to other offspring, these being fathered by Pontus. Their names were the sea-god Nereus, Thaumas, Phorcys, Ceto and Eurybia. In other versions Gaia had offspring to her brother Tartarus; they were Echidna and Typhon, the later being an enemy of Zeus. Apollo killed Typhon when he took control of the oracle at Delphi, which Gaia originally provided, and then the "Sibyl" sang the oracle in Gaia's shrine.

It was Gaia who saved Zeus from being swallowed by Cronus, after Zeus had been born, Gaia helped Rhea to wrap a stone in swaddling clothes, this was to trick Cronus in to thinking it was Zeus, because Cronus had been informed that one of his children would depose him, and so to get rid of his children he had swallowed them, Gaia's trick worked and Zeus was then taken to Crete.

Gaia being the primordial element from which all the gods originated was worshiped throughout Greece, but later she went into decline and was supplanted by other gods. In Roman mythology she was known as Tellus or Terra.
Complete pagan, polythestic, heterodox heresy, no two words about it.

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LMU will host a "Missa Gaia" [the-tidings.com]

The print edition of the October 27 issue of The Tidings (the online edition is not posted on that paper's site, but you can click on this post's title tomorrow and presumably it will be) carries an article, "LMU Forum draws prominent environmentalists."

The article is about this year's Bellarmine Forum, Oct. 29-Nov. 3, at Loyola Marymount U. in L.A. The theme is, "Earth to You: Do Something Now." The invitees include Bobby Kennedy Jr., Jean-Michel Cousteau and Patagonia founder Yvon Chouinard.

St. Robert Bellarmine (1542-1621), for whom the Forum is named, would want his name withdrawn this year. Listen to this Tidings paragraph:

"The Oct. 29 kick-off event is a Missa Gaia (Earth Mass), 8 p.m. at the Sacred Heart Chapel with Jesuit Father John Coleman presiding. The contemporary liturgy celebrates the whole earth as a sacred space by integrating recorded sounds such as the calls of wolves, whales, eagles and seals."

The "Missa Gaia" debuted at an Episcopalian cathedral, and Unitarian Universalists like it.

"Missa Gaia" composer Jim Scott has written, "When we began neither Paul [Winter] or I had ever been to a Mass...We took the name of the Greek goddess Gaia after the writings of James Lovelock, whose 'Gaia hypothesis' is that all of life on earth and the earth itself comprises a single living entity that is self-sustaining and, of course, evolving."

"Missa Gaia" writer Paul Winter has written, "The idea of writing a Mass seemed far-flung. I had never even been to a Mass!...Could a Mass celebrate a vision of the entire Earth as a cathedral? Dean Morton assured me it could. Could Mass music be based on themes from whales and wolves? 'You can write a Mass on anything', the Dean said. I did have a fine melody from a wolf that fit perfectly with the words 'Kyrie Eleison.'"

There you have it -- the wolves are in the sheepfold. Here is a quote from a great Catholic author and journalist:

"A post-Christian belief system is taking over � one that sees the earth as a living being mythologically, as Gaia, Earth Mother � with mankind as her consciousness...Such worship of the universe is properly called cosmolatry." �Donna Steichen, Ungodly Rage, p. 237

The seals that the Tidings story mentions are baby seals. Too bad the "Missa Gaia" does not incorporate a moment of silence for the endangered species of preborn baby humans -- the preborn baby girls and boys of the silent scream, whom abortionists stab in the skull with scissors and suck their brains out or slice their limbs and heads off with curettes. All of these millions of crimes against humanity about 990 of 1,000 "environmentalists" endorse and support by voting for flaming pro-abortion politicians decade after decade.

What if someone composed a "Missa Infans" for preborn infants? Such a Mass the Holy Innocents of Bethlehem would attend from Heaven, as would their once bereaved but now reunited and rejoicing moms, and Baby Jesus would be there, too.

Think Loyola Marymount would ever host a Mass like that?

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I underwent formation for Diaconate before our Eparchy had a program. Therefore, I did my studies at St. Charles Borromeo Seminary in the Archdiocese of Philadelphia. I do remember a talk by the priest in charge of the program where he said: "I am going to read to you a poem by a man who was both a Jesuit AND a Catholic!" Need anything else be said?

As to Cdl. Mahony, I am surprised that he is still on his throne, given what he has tolerated.

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Actually I posted this "mess" in the wrong thread...it was suppose to be in the Universal Indult one, I was doing too many things at the time and apologize...

In my area say a radius of 50 miles or so...we have 1 Indult Mass a month on the 1st Sunday and none in September...forget the Holy Days...

I will being posting less on this and related subjects within the Roman/Latin Rite, it is too disturbing and sickening what is really happening...

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Garrett:

What the French bishops may really be disturbed about is that the full and active participation of the laity in the celebration of the sacred liturgy can be done within the TLM. In fact, I had the experience of what were termed "dialogue Masses" in the period just prior to the revision that is now known as the Missal of 1962. At that time, people were making a very real effort to learn to pronounce the Latin responses for a "low Mass" and it was something that could have continued.

The sad part of the indult is that it seems to make no provision for these types of things that had been started in many places. I'd bet that if more people had that type of additonal option there would be far more people attending and making this their preferred form of worhship in the Latin Church.

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For those who use Internet Explorer and have the iTunes plugin installed/enabled, you can witness via podcast the 'Missa Gaia' mass that took place a few weeks ago in Los Angeles at the following link:

LA Oct. 2006 \'Missa Gaia\' Mass [lmu.edu]

While I'm no fan, I must say that the production values of this bit of Episcopalian inspired entertainment were much better than 90% of the half-hearted NO liturgies I've endured over the years (although the 'Alleluia' was atrocious).


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http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=47581

French poll shows support for traditional Mass

Nov. 10 (CWNews.com) - Although French Catholic bishops have said that the faithful would oppose wider use of the Tridentine rite, a poll of French Catholics has found that nearly two-thirds would like to have the choice of attending a traditional Latin Mass.

When asked whether Catholics should have a choice between the Novus Ordo Mass and a traditional liturgy, 65% of French Catholics answered that they should, while another 22% said they did not care; only 13% opposed the idea.

Among the 1,000 people surveyed, 60% said that they would attend a Mass celebrated in Latin with Gregorian chant, at least occasionally. On the other hand, in an apparently contradictory response, 51% of the respondents said that they would either "rarely" or "never" attend a Mass celebrated in the traditional rite.

The survey was conducted by the CSA Institute, an established French polling firm, on behalf of the Catholic group Paix Liturgique. The poll results were introduced to English-speaking readers by the Rorate Caeil blog site.


Positive news on the whole and a rebuff to heretical modernists in the French church I would say.

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I would be curious about the ages of those polled who said that they would attend the TLM. My hunch is that it would be primarily a younger group.

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