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#99876 09/24/05 09:09 PM
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Interesting, I didn't know there was one. I guess it is farely new. It is about half way down the page.

http://www.pitt.edu/AFShome/s/o/sorc/public/html/ocfellow/icons.html#pivtrip

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Pani Rose,

This is a new one. I have seen a few examples of icons used for this purpose, generally of the Theotokos with the Christ child within her womb. I believe that Orthodox Christians for Life use that or I have seen in in OCA Churches when I visited in the past.

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Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
#99878 09/24/05 09:56 PM
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Wow! That icon is amazing and disturbing all at once! I've never seen it before, but it certainly pulls no punches...

Thanks for the link.

Gordo

#99879 09/24/05 09:58 PM
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Gee - could this Avatar icon be any BIGGER?!?

I mean I like St. Herman and all, but GOSH!

I think I'll change it back...

Gordo

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Gordo,

If you really like, have the admin resize it for you.

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Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
#99881 09/24/05 10:04 PM
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Can he do that?

I do like St. Herman a great deal. He is one of my favorite saints...

It certainly would be difficult to miss my posts, eh?

Looks like all of my previous posts were modified. Much better...and I like the story of the Wedding at Cana.

:-) Gordo

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Gordo,

Just PM him with the file and will make the adjustments for you.

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Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
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Pani Rose and all,

This is the icon that is on the site of the Orthodox Christians for Life.

[Linked Image]


I was mistaken by my earlier refences for the OCA icons, in checking they are the Korsun Icon, and the Icon of the Protection of the MP OV.

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Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
#99884 09/24/05 10:42 PM
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As prolife as I am, I cannot approve of this innovation; iconography should not serve even noble political aims...
-Daniel

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Daniel,

I do not know if this is blessed or not, but I have seen photo accounts of this icon on banners used on the annual march to the Supreme Court. Orthodox and Catholic hierarchs, along with clergy and laity use it. I agree it is controversial, but maybe it will illustrate the sanctity of life to some. I would like it to the procession on Bloody Sunday in Saint Petersburg in 1905, or the military unit would prossess the banners of their patron saints into battle.

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Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
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But then there are Russian icons, beautifully done, which represent one Russian city doing battle with another Russian city....Icons should not be used for political ends, even noble ones. There is no basis in the Tradition for this "prolife" "icon".
-Daniel

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Originally posted by Pani Rose:
Interesting, I didn't know there was one. I guess it is farely new. It is about half way down the page.

http://www.pitt.edu/AFShome/s/o/sorc/public/html/ocfellow/icons.html#pivtrip
We have a copy of this one and it is one of the most beautiful and heartbreaking Icons I have ever seen.

Vie

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Originally posted by iconophile:
As prolife as I am, I cannot approve of this innovation; iconography should not serve even noble political aims...
-Daniel
But Dan, by saying that are you not reducing the issue to a political one? I know you cannot believe that. There is a fundamental theological and scriptural truth that is conveyed in the image - Christ is the Author and Sustainer of All Life.

I am assuming, of course, that you are referring to the image of Christ that Father Anthony posted above.

If you are referring to the powerful icon of Rachel weeping for her children and the contemporary slaughter of the innocent at the hands of the medical profession, I agree with you in so far as this particular image should never be treated as a liturgical icon. Rather, it is a religious/theological reflection on a grave social evil, using iconic forms. I think it is a marvellous, powerful and artistic depiction of this evil, but it does not belong in a sanctuary (nor would I place it in my icon corner at home for veneration).

As to the icon of Christ, I plan on purchasing this icon for my home to place in our icon corner. (And probably several others to give away.) I see its innovation along the lines of this icon of Christ creating the animal kingdom:

http://www.skete.com/moreinfo.cfm?Category=36&Product_ID=308

Many years,

Gordo

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Granted, the image itself is not political, but it is certainly used as a political tool.
Even the naturalistic portrayal of the fetus is un-iconic; what next, portrayals of sperm uniting with the ovum?

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