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PrJ #280535 02/27/08 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PrJ
Actually, from a statistical perspective, the person of the priest and/or bishop seems to have little impact on whether people stay or leave, retain or reject. From the data I have seen, connection to community is a key critical identifier but not the priest and/or bishop.

That is interesting. And perhaps sad. The priest should be one of the main "connectors" (sp?) for the people in the Christian community. But, are referring to a sense of identificiation that continues regardless who the pastor happens to be?

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A friend went church shopping after her children began interacting with others. Her theory was Protestants were the elementary school (and she had theories to who was kindergarten or middle school), Roman Catholics were high school while Orthodoxy was college. She started with the elementary eventually switched to high school doubting she would have the understanding to graduate to college.

�Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin�� (Matt 18:6)
�We saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name�� (Mark 9:38)

Everyone promotes the message, the key is who is making it relevant to whom. Why is an educated community expected to blindly follow a despot instead of utilizing their gifts as a team while people leave?

Just because one is in college does not mean one knows how to think, sometimes only how to cram to pass a test or two. Why is it more Orthodox to have one Sunday Liturgy for 3 hours with 30 people instead of two tandem 90 minute liturgies serving 300?

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It's the people. If there is an group of folks whom one enjoys being with, one comes back. If the people are stand-offish, one does not come back.

If the priest is a part of the enjoyable group, that's a further enticement. If the priest is not so, then the group can remain intact and the priest is just peripheral. Same with the bishops.

The charismatics have been doing this for decades. (Here in Houston there is a huge building labelled: Catholic Charismatic Center along the I-45 freeway south of town.) They find each other and build a community. (I am personally less than comfortable with the charismatic movement, but then again, it's not my place to judge.)

The underlying role of both spirituality and public liturgics are also critical to the establishment and continuation of the group/parish. If the liturgy stinks (either in its natural form or as celebrated/performed), then folks disappear. A core group of like-minded folks who enjoy each others' company, will hold on, but it's terribly frustrating.

There has to be a hook. It may be 'fellowship' (Evangelicals and some Protestants), it may be liturgics (Orthodox and High-Church Whatevers), it may be One-Path-Only (Catholics, Presbyterians) or musicalists (Episcopals, Lutherans), it may be the "ethno-centrists" (Ethnic Orthodox, recent immigrants). This combines with the 'enjoyable group of congregants' and then one sees continued adherence or migration.

What would be fascinating would be to see who moves from where to where. I suspect that High-Church-Whatevers go to high-church RC or to Orthodox; liturgical RCs go to Orthodox or Eastern Catholic; 'fellowship' folks go to protestant or 'ministries'; 'historical faith' folks go RC or Orthodox; and kids/young people go to wherever they are made to feel like adult people.

Any stats on this?

I personally am a High-Church Liturgical Ethnic Singing Foodie. ("IF you feed them, they will come." - NO Jell-o please.)

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Anecdotally (I have not seen any statistics on this), I believe that they also tend to take the fasts more seriously. I was shocked when I moved to the Midwest to see that each fast-food restaurant adds "fish sandwiches" to their menu during Lent.

I don't know when you moved to the Midwest, but fast food places have had fish on their menu for decades. I was probably the only child in the world who looked forward to Lent because I was certain to have fish on Friday.

I am pretty certain that for Wendys it is a "lent only" deal...

But for the most part you are right - the others have fish options. In a pinch, I am a Subway man for tuna salad.

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Originally Posted by Ung-Certez
Let's see, there are more Roman Catholics in the US than there are Eastern Catholic and Orthodox Churches, right? Shouldn't they have a lot more attendance at their churches? What percentage of Roman Catholics attend church regularly vs. the total number of Roman Catholics? Anybody have those percentages?

Ung

I don't follow - why do you think or suspect that the RCs who have a different attendence percentage.

If 250 out of a parish of 1,000 attend...

or

If 2500 out of a parish of 10,000 attend...

Well you both have 25%.

Are you wishing to get the percentage of attendence for BOTH Eastern Catholic/Orthodox and RCC?

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Yes, if it were possible.

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Originally Posted by A Simple Sinner
I am pretty certain that for Wendys it is a "lent only" deal...

But for the most part you are right - the others have fish options. In a pinch, I am a Subway man for tuna salad.

Maybe in your neighborhood, but I'm pretty sure they have fish all year here.

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I am pretty certain that for Wendys it is a "lent only" deal...

You mean fast food can also be FAST food!!! grin
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Actually, in Greece, during Lent McDonald's offers what they call a 'McSarakosti' menu...('sarakosti' means Lent in Greek)!

I wonder if they do something like this in Russia too? Does anyone know? Has Lenten fasting caught on there yet?

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Del Taco has a tasty Fish Taco, cabbage and a special sauce, lime wedge...finish with that famous liquid bread Corona grin

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Del Taco has a tasty Fish Taco, cabbage and a special sauce, lime wedge...finish with that famous liquid bread Corona

Del Taco is still around?!!! I love Del Taco!!! Sadly, all the ones near where I grew up closed down.

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