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This thread is about icons and the media in which they are produced - traditionally and in more recent times - and, it is to be expected that there will be disagreement between those of a more traditional bent versus those who perceive that iconography today has media available to it that would not have been considered - or in some cases even imagined - in the era when the holy art was conceived.

What this thread is NOT about is ecclesial or secular politics under the guise of bickering about the rendering of names that are clear to most each and every one of us. I strongly suggest that the thread return to its topic immediately; I find most repugnant the idea that a thread on iconography would require closure and, if it does, there will be consequences for anyone who precipitates the need to do so.

Many years,

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For those who might be interested, the Icon and Book Service in Washington, DC has a new website.

Still a work in progress, but promising.



http://stores.homestead.com/hstrial-EBlaettler/StoreFront.bok

I note that the first item listed for sale is a book about the preservation of Russian Iconography during and after the Soviet years; Hidden and Triumphant: The Underground Struggle to Save Russian Iconography

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Thanks for posting this website Two Lungs. I lost track of what happened to the Icon and Book Service after they moved out of Westbury. I thought they went to Washington but wasn't sure...

Glad to see Elaine is still going!!!

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Hidden and Triumphant: The Underground Struggle to Save Russian Iconography, by Irina Yazykova; Translated by Paul Grenier; Foreword by Frederica Mathewes-Green

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Despite persecution and the destruction of monasteries and much of religious life, a small group of iconographers kept the ancient story and practice alive. In Hidden and Triumphant, Irina Yazykova tells the dramatic history of the Russian Orthodox icon in the 20th century. She tells the saga of those iconographers who at great personal cost preserved the tradition from the time of the Bolshevik persecutions through to the present day, restoring and developing Russian iconography under the harshest of circumstances. Adopting the art of the icon from Byzantine tradition, medieval Russia developed its own unique iconography that for many centuries was a glory of the Russian culture. But in 1917, Russia was turned upside down by the Bolshevik revolution. During the ensuing persecutions of the Church, many monasteries and churches were ruined, icons destroyed, and thousands of believers killed or sent to Soviet prisons and labor camps. Many iconographers painted holy images secretly while in prison. Others were forced to leave Russia altogether, and while living abroad, struggled to preserve their Orthodox traditions. These are their stories. Today¿s renaissance of Russian iconography unites the traditions of the medieval past and is made possible by the sacrifices of this previous generation of heroes. 8 page color insert of illustrations. 192pp (Hardcover) - AVAILABLE DECEMBER 2008 Paraclete

PRICE: $27.00


Sounds like a great book. But I can't find any information about the author. Is she an historian or a theologian or an iconographer?

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Originally Posted by poor seraphim
My Joys, My Treasures,

Hey Altar Server, check out the story about Prince Vladmir of Russia. He sent out his people to find the church for him to attend. This is the beginning of Russia becoming Orthodox.... It is a very interesting story. You see the beauty in every Orthodox Church. You notice the use of ALL five senses of the body.

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Thanks for the idea I've been considering converting to orthodoxy and recently attended my local OCA parish and met with the priest after vespers it was great smile

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Originally Posted by Irish Melkite
This thread is about icons and the media in which they are produced - traditionally and in more recent times - and, it is to be expected that there will be disagreement between those of a more traditional bent versus those who perceive that iconography today has media available to it that would not have been considered - or in some cases even imagined - in the era when the holy art was conceived.

What this thread is NOT about is ecclesial or secular politics under the guise of bickering about the rendering of names that are clear to most each and every one of us. I strongly suggest that the thread return to its topic immediately; I find most repugnant the idea that a thread on iconography would require closure and, if it does, there will be consequences for anyone who precipitates the need to do so.

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Bravo. Let us return to the point of this thread!

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This is a reminder to stay on topic...all posts that do not-- have, and will be, removed!

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Speaking on staying on topic....icons are also woven into trapestries such as the Holy Shroud of our Lord, our Lady, banners, and on vestments. I have a special liking toward vestment backs. I appreciate the workmanship that goes into producing them.

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Originally Posted by Halia12
I can't find any information about the author. Is she an historian or a theologian or an iconographer?

She is a doctoral candidate and head of the Department of Christian Art History at St. Andrew Biblical Theological Institute in Moscow (decribed as "one of the first secular theological institutions of higher education that opened immediately after perestroika and (is) the first higher education institution in Moscow to receive state accreditation for a "theology" major. The institute gives a secular theological education, based on a broad spectrum of general humanistic disciplines.")

An article by her. [stjohndc.org]

Many years,

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I have again removed several off-topic posts that sought to continue the earlier tangent relative to names, etc, defending it as being about spelling and history.

You can believe what you choose as to historical events, you are free to disagree with the manner in which any name is spelt, the ethnicity ascribed to any individual, or the sequence or nature of historical events - you are also free, within the limits of civil discourse and debate - to carry on such discussion in another thread - on an appropriate forum. This forum is about iconography and this thread is about iconography and the media in which it is expressed.

My final warning to all participants - DO NOT, at risk of having your posting privileges be restricted, seek to divert or interrupt discussion relevant to the thread's titled topic!!!


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