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Dear friends, Why is the guy in the white vestments on the right wearing Byzantine priestly vestments with a Roman mitre? I hope he's Armenian, not mixing rites! Does anyone if he is biritual or something? http://www.grkatpo.sk/fotoalbumy/grafika/18_6.jpg Confused, anastasios
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He's not an Armenian; if I have this right, Armenian vestments more closely resemble Syrian vestments rather than Greek. And the mitre is not an Armenian mitre, but the Latin simplex mitre (I think that's what it's called).
Maybe this guy is one of you guys...a "mitred" archpriest perhaps? :p
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Slava Isusu Hristu!
Dobry vecer!
Pan Anastasios,
Byvalsom v Slovenska Republika....
My guess: it's an RC bishop who concelebrated a liturgy. The picture comes from the Presov Eparchy's website. I could not locate the picture from the link you provided. However, there were a bunch of photos of the recent installation of Bishop Babjaka.
One photo showed the ceremonies inside St. Peter's in Rome. By the altar were a number of Eastern celebrants and crowns, and two in Eastern vestments but with white mitres.
Perhaps someone on the list can identify the Roman Catholic bishop with Byzantine vestments? Is he the Latin Bishop of the Presov region?
God bless,
Christopher
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Slava Isusu Hristu! Here's the photo I mentioned: http://www.grkatpo.sk/fotoalbumy/grafika/13_17.jpg My apologies for the error: I meant "a RC bishop", not "an." Ugh. It's too late. God bless everyone. Christopher
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Originally posted by Christopher De Milo:
Slava Isusu Hristu!
However, there were a bunch of photos of the recent installation of Bishop Babjaka.
His name is J�n Babjak. J�na Babjaka is the genitive. So, "Biskupsk� konsekr�cia Mons. J�na Babjaka" is "the episcopal consecration of Msgr. J�n Babjak." The use of the genitive supplies the "of."
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Originally posted by Christopher De Milo: Slava Isusu Hristu!
Here's the photo I mentioned:
http://www.grkatpo.sk/fotoalbumy/grafika/13_17.jpg
My apologies for the error: I meant "a RC bishop", not "an." Ugh. It's too late.
God bless everyone.
ChristopherThose are western chasubles not Byzantine phelonia.
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Could they possibly be Roman bishops who forgot to bring their own vestments (but brought a mitre)?
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Generally in the norms any deacon, priest or bishop should wear the vestments of his own church sui iuris, even when present at a service in another church sui iuris.
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Hello:
An interesting thing is that clergymen in the second set of photos are wearing mitres that are not completely white.
Since it is clear that they are not the main celebrants, it would be at least a breech of ettiquete if they are Roman prelates.
Several alternatives come to mind:
They might be mitred abbots or monsigniori (roughly equivalent to mittred archimandrites and mittred archpriests).
They might also be Maronite prelates.
My pastor, Fr. William Leser, is a Maronite Chorbishop AND a Mittred Monsignior. I have never seen him wearing Marnonite liturgical vestments, I have seen him waeing Maronite "choir" vestments.
The Sunday before last one, we had the re-dedication ceremony of our renovated parish church. The main celebrant was, of course, our Metropolitan Archbishop H.E. Roger Cardinal Mahony.
Solemnly concelebrating with Cardinal Mahony were H.G. John George Chedid, Maronite Eparch Emeritus of Los Angeles and Rt. Rev. Francis Benedict, O.S.B, Abbot of the Benedictine Monastery of St. Andrew in Valyermo.
Among other concelebrating priests there were several Latin priests and two Maronite priests, one of them our Associate Pastor, Fr. Pierre Albalaa.
Now, returning to our point of interest, the "stole" that both clergymen are wearing is virtually identical to that worn by the three Maronite clergymen I saw at our rededication, including that of Eparch Emeritus John.
The mitre of Eparch John was not plain, and his outermost garment was something that looks like a Latin cape, and my understanding is that this garment is the regular garment for celebrating the Eucharist for a Maronite Bishop (the equivalent of the Latin chasuble). Very similar to the garment shown in the photos.
What do you think?
Shalom,
Memo.
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Dear Memo,
I think that it is all rather confusing!
But which bishops "stole" the show, do you think?
Alex
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Originally posted by Memo Rodriguez:
Now, returning to our point of interest, the "stole" that both clergymen are wearing is virtually identical to that worn by the three Maronite clergymen I saw at our rededication, including that of Eparch Emeritus John.
The mitre of Eparch John was not plain, and his outermost garment was something that looks like a Latin cape, and my understanding is that this garment is the regular garment for celebrating the Eucharist for a Maronite Bishop (the equivalent of the Latin chasuble). Very similar to the garment shown in the photos.
What do you think?
Shalom,
Memo. Good afternoon! Here is one photo [ stgeorgesa.org] of a Maronite bishop vested. (from St. George Maronite Catholic Church in San Antonio, TX [ stgeorgesa.org] What the Maronites wear is more akin to the Roman "cope." The cut is differently from the phelonion and it is open over the breat. This web page [ stmaron.org] has a good frontal view of a vested Maronite bishop. Tony
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Brothers: This is one of the most interesting sets of photos I've ever seen. Certainly Byzantine vestments; certainly Latin mitres. Who are they? Maronite vestments are cut a little differntly and can be seen if you go to the Sister Churches area and move around in the Maronite area. A priest can be seen with stole alone behind a fully vested bishop. http://www.stmaron.org http://www.eparchyla.org/index-eparchy.html [ eparchyla.org] The Maronite site did have a picture of their Patriarch but it is now gone. That made comparison of Maronite and Syriac Patriarchs possible just a month ago. Also there is a website showing the Syrian Orthodox Church--Syriac Church and its distinctive vestments. I have bookmarked it because it is in full color and even provides some of the vesting prayers. I'll see if I can find and bring back the info. http://sor.cua.edu/Vestments BOB Also a website for the Coptic Orthodox Church with photos of their recent installation of a new bishop. http://www.lacopts.org
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If my memory is still working, Jozef Cardinal Tomko, then-prefect of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples, wore Byzantine vestments with a Latin mitre when he was the chief consecrator of Bishop Jan Hirka in Presov in 1990.
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About the pic posted by Tony about the Maronite Bishop celebrating the Liturgy, I don't know if I exagerate but I feel kind of sad  I doubt there's a "bema" there, the (latin-like) crucifix is totally on the other side of the Church as if this was a modern Roman Church building, and it looks that the Bishoph and his priests celebrate facing the congragation. I find difficult to differenciate this pic from any picture of a modern Roman Mass.
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