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Dutin,

The picture is quite odd and I don't now what to make of it. In any case it is against the canons. If a cleric concelebrates in a different Church he is to retain his own vesture. So whether the man is a Latin bishop or a Byzantine archpriest he is vested incorrectly. If a Latin bishop he has no business wearing Byzantine vestments, if he is a Byzantine archpriest he has no business wearing a Roman mitre. I would guess the former, because last fall the protosyncellus/mitred archpriest of the Eparchy of Presov celebrated at my parish and he wore a Byzantine mitre.

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Bishop Joseph Adamec of Altoona-Johnstown (PA, USA)had a picture in our diocesan paper some years ago showing him in this same pattern when he and another Latin bishop concelebrated with a Slovak bishop in Canada.

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Dear Friends,

In fact, in the hey-day of Latinization, Ukrainian bishops frequently added Latin episcopal vesture to Byzantine vesture.

I especially deplored when the bishops wore the "beanie" cap (I forget its name) under their mitres.

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Hi Alex

It's called a ZUCCETTO (sp)...

My parish priest has one worn by Pope Pius XII in a shadow box on the wall of dining room in the rectory.

I've also emailed the photo in question to a friend in Presov who is a Roman priest and asked to identify the Bishops in the foto. I will advise as soon as I get an answer.

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Alex, most of the older Ruthenian bishops of the Eparchies of Prjashev, Mukachevo, Krizevci, Hajdudorog have always wore "the beanies",
and the entire Latin choir dress instead of raissa and kobluk and veil.

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Dear Friends,

Zuchetto, that's right!

And the Zuchetto by Pius XII comes from the tradition of presenting His Holiness with a new one and he takes it and gives you the one he is wearing. I'll do that when I see the Pope during my planned visit to Rome. You know, when in Rome . . .

I don't know what the tradition behind that is. In any event, the more important question is why are there Eastern Catholic bishops who feel it is important for them to wear it? I once met such a one and I was sorely tempted to remove his zuchetto and defenestrate it . . .

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Hello:

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But which bishops "stole" the show, do you think?
Sadly, His Eminence didn't share any air time with his "concelebrants". Not even for the Eucharistic Prayers as prescribed by the Missal. That is why I used quotes.

When Fr. Bill had some time to thank the visiting prelates he did the oposite, something in the line of "well, you all know the guy in the middle", and then proceeded to introduce the other two concelebrants and to explain why were they there.

Eparch John is an old friend of his, and used to be his "legal" Bishop (after all, Fr. Bill IS a Maronite with bi-ritual faculties to celebrate in the Roman Church. Why is he pastor of a Roman parish escapes my understanding).

Abott Francis is Fr. Bill's spiritual director. St. Andrew's monastery and our parish have very good relations, of course.

St. Andrew's has the problem every monastery would like to have. It is overpopulated. They are currently conducting an agressive fund-rising campaign to expand their facilities, because if they do not, they will have to start declining observer candidates' applications.

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Dear Memo,

It is like my friend who has a jewelry store that had boxes all over the floor.

When he said, "Sorry for the mess," I replied, "Everyone should have the problem of a messy jewelry store!" smile

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GLORY TO JESUS CHRIST!
GLORY TO HIM FOREVER!

Well, got an answer of sorts from Presov.

The Bishop in the photo is Bishop RABEK, newly appointed Bishop of the Military for Slovakia. He's the former Bishop of Nitra and former assistant to Cardinal Korec.

He is reportedly a bi-ritual priest, but can't confirm this.

Still checking....

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Zuchetto, that's right!
It is also known by the Latin name as "peccatoribus" (sp), which I prefer.

It began in monasteries in the Middle Ages to keep warm the heads of tonsured monks and priests, and caught on with secular clergy as well as the hierarchy.

Ordinary Roman parish priests are allowed to wear the peccatoribus, but not during the Sacrifice of the Mass. Priests wear black, bishops purple, cardinals red, and the Pope white.

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Probably the pictures shows a Latin bishop taking part in a Byzantine Holy Liturgy (the main celebrant is wearing a Byzantine mitre)with other Latin bishops who did not take his Latin vestments with him but just the mitre. Probably he expected to find Latin vestment in that Church but probably they had only Byzantine vestments to offer him...Who knows?

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